. >> gretchen: we invited john mcwhorter he declined to come on the show.helping us analyze this. let me start with you, brian. what do you make of -- there is so much to discuss. what do you make of all the talk about the fact that the way she spoke was sort of its own news story and then john mcwhorter saying there is such a thing as black english. is that true? >> i don't think there is such a thing as black english burks i think she's speaking the language she's used to. she grew up where she grew up and communicates the way she feels comfortable. the most important thing is she's honest and telling the truth, which i think everyone can agree that she's done that. to make the point that somehow because of the way she communicates she's somehow lesser than or is not a credible witness, i think is unfair. >> gretchen: jehmu? >> i agree with brian that she was credible. she was honest. she was sincere. but i think this issue has gotten a little bit bigger, especially with john mcwhorter's statements because yes, he's a linguist, anthropologists will say bl