i think it is well known that john mearsheimer is deaf. i used that, roger wilkinson. the announcement of du bois as an epigraph. and he says there, you know, there is one thinker whose double overshadows both the movement happening here today is du bois. so real connection in between not only what is going on the level of contemporary writers. there is thinking about these issues, is used to my income having to do with identity, conflicts in the aftermath of segregation, the aftermath of obama, but also the voice has had an enormous impact on activists. >> what was his relationship, professor, with bush -- booker t. washington. >> that, of course, is an important thing in the book and something that has been talked about at great lengths in the literature and also is important. when one thinks about the history, activism and african-american political thought, john mearsheimer devotes an entire chapter to washington. so washington, of course, was the most prominent and influential african american political force at the time. and he really did, which is why john mears

but this was not true. >> host: john mearsheimer, "why leaders lie."as it of fun book to look right? speech you very much of fun but to write because i did not know much about the subjects. i was sort of feeling my way around in the dark. i learned a lot in the process. i ended up surprising myself. as i said before, actually thought i was going to end up telling a very different story which is that there is lots of lying in international politics. we liked each other all the time. but i found that the case is there isn't much linage national politics, and i was even more surprised to find out the leaders lot more often to their own people than they do to foreign audiences. so i am learning new things. it's really kind of exciting and fun. what this academic enterprise is supposed to be all about.