and john mearsheimer, a professor at the university of chicago, a west point graduate and former air force officer. he's written extensively on strategic issues. john mere shirm, start with you, what does the new violence say about where iraq is just days after the u.s. pulled out? >> well, i think it's quite clear evidence that we are in serious trouble in iraq and that we are, in in effect, going to lose the war. we were hoping that when we finally left iraq that we would leave behind a unified and stable and democratic iraq that was essentially pro-american. at this point it's hard to see how iraq over the next few years is going to be a stable country, much less a meaningful democracy. and i even doubt whether it will be pro-american. so i think that this is all just evidence of what critics said in the run-up to the war. that going into that country was a colossal blunder. >> brown: margaret o'sullivan how do you see the current situation tying it into the longer scope of the war? >> sure, i agree with john that this is a critical moment in iraq. those of us who have worked on ir

and john mearsheimer, a professor at the university of chicago, a west point graduate and former air force officer. he's written extensively on strategic issues. john mere shirm, start with you, what does the new violence say about where iraq is just days after the u.s. pulled out? >> well, i think it's quite clear evidence that we are in serious trouble in iraq and that we are, in in effect, going to lose the war. we were hoping that when we finally left iraq that we would leave behind a unified and stable and democratic iraq that was essentially pro-american. at this point it's hard to see how iraq over the next few years is going to be a stable country, much less a meaningful democracy. and i even doubt whether it will be pro-american. so i think that this is all just evidence of what critics said in the run-up to the war. that going into that country was a colossal blunder. >> brown: margaret o'sullivan how do you see the current situation tying it into the longer scope of the war? >> sure, i agree with john that this is a critical moment in iraq. those of us who have worked on ir

and john mearsheimer, a professor at the university of chicago, a west point graduate and former air force officer. he's written extensively on strategic issues. john mere shirm, start with you, what does the new violence say about where iraq is just days after the u.s. pulled out? >> well, i think it's quite clear evidence that we are in serious trouble in iraq and that we are, in in effect, going to lose the war. we were hoping that when we finally left iraq that we would leave behind a unified and stable and democratic iraq that was essentially pro-american. at this point it's hard to see how iraq over the next few years is going to be a stable country, much less a meaningful democracy. and i even doubt whether it will be pro-american. so i think that this is all just evidence of what critics said in the run-up to the war. that going into that country was a colossal blunder. >> brown: margaret o'sullivan how do you see the current situation tying it into the longer scope of the war? >> sure, i agree with john that this is a critical moment in iraq. those of us who have worked on ir