john miano. >> guest: well, h-1b is just the tip of the iceberg. there are other ways that foreign labor is coming in in this area of technical workers. one of issues he raised is trade deals, and the inside lobbyists are using trade deals as a means to bring foreign labor in. the u.s. is locked into giving at least 65,000 h-1b visas every year under treaty, and now under this new be, the trans-pacific partnership, they're also trying to slip in more foreign labor. then -- [laughter] i'm just going through the list, david's list. the other thing we could add is that there are executive actions going on. obama this year started allowing spouses of h-1b workers to work. industry lobbyists have fought that and hope they can eventually turn h-1b into a twofer where they can get spouse and get the spouse, both spouses to work on a single visa. another one we have is what's called the optional practical training program which is a student visa. in 2008 microsoft came to the department of homeland security secretary at a dinner party with the idea of usin

and my co-author john miano had been in the trenches.stories again and again and again of american workers replaced by cheaper foreign labor, and it's been happening for decades now. and fortunately on both the national security and the economic security front people are waking up and as many problems as i might have with donald trump, the one thing he is doing is discomforting both the big business and the government interests in washington on this very fundamental issue. lou: like you, i think that trump is fundamentally, he is the disruptor at this point. it's early days. he may well be the party's nominee. he's providing an immense national service as a disruptor in the political process. galvanizing attentions, forcing issues, illegal immigration, border security. taking a look at what we're doing with free trade, also what our responsibilities are in governing who does enter the country and who is in this country and why we don't know about it. he's performing an important national service. >> no doubt he is shaking things up, and