congressmen,iment to ask you both, starting with you, john mica, do you think congress has adequately funded amtrak? >> i think given amtrak's history of poor performance, i think they've given them more than enough money subs diegz last year, for example every ticket onam track, all 30.9 million $42 on average. >> ifill: congressman fatah. >> there's no passenger rail in the world that is not subsidized. that's number one. the president and the transportation experts in our government proposed $2.4 billion for capital and safety improvements that congress yesterday, on the appropriations committee, cut that by $1.3 billion. i asked for us to go back to the frompresident's request. instead of doing that what they did was not honor the increase the president wanted. they cut last year's appropriation by more than $250 million. so i think that it would have been better not to even have the committee yesterday because it mures into the story about the the train accident in philadelphia. but this was a committee that had been said to me a month ago, the subcommittee had voted these cuts,

i want to bring back john mica.unched numbers in a new tech report for kleiner perkins and you had some interesting findings. 27 startups have been cofounded by designers including instagram, airbnb, youtube. report13 agencies were fired by tech companies in the last four years. and six firms were hired last year including you john. you are the very first. either perkins was the first to bring in design partners. >> they were more out there. >> what is going on and why? design is important, but why does it seem like they are just getting this now? >> technology alone was a good reason to buy things. suddenly, we had the stuff. design comes in to help more people want the stuff. emily: what do we mean by a term designer? not just someone who went to art school. >> it is pretty complex. we are changing the definition of design. it's not just 1000 people but millions of people at this moment through apps and things like that. emily: the ceo of airbnb, i talked to him about this issue. , but millions of peoplesilicon va

john: correct. mr. mica: still problems with managing right? john: yes. mr. mica: and their responsibility of conducting audits and oversight? john: right. mr. mica: and they have found human error and often a simple failure to follow protocol causes significant vulnerability, is that your statement? john: that's correct. mr. mica: let's look at the last one here. t.s.a. plans to buy, maintain its equipment. the history -- the threat people -- people don't realize that threat is very serious and ongoing and that the bad guys are one step ahead of us. just look at the history. the shoe bomber, t.s.a. never detected it, right? john: correct. mr. mica: the diaper bomber never detected it, right? john: right. mr. mica: the -- "the new york times square bomber, he bought his ticket on the phone, went to j.f.k. and went through all the screening systems, was not stopped until he got on the plane and it wasn't t.s.a., right? john: that's my understanding. mr. mica: ok. that's my understanding. but these are failures of this very expensive $7 billion, 61,000-people sy

congressman john mica, republican of florida he's been pushing amtrak and privatization. he has said this -- susan: that may be a fair criticism but that's because i think you know they're caught between a rock and a hard place. they don't have near lit that may be money they they need to run a first class national rail service, so i think it opens up opportunities for just sort of a sense of tpaout tilt within the organization. they don't have the backing of the nation and our nation's legislature. money they greta: back to this "new york times" piece. it says -- amtrak earned 286 million on the northeast corridor and lost 214 million on long distance routes. should the government increase funding for amtrak? a third line for amtrak riders. this is a had line in the "washington post". debate over funding continues on capitol hill. democrats wanted to double the budget and the white house wanted to zero it out of yesterday's appropriations committee -- this is the infrastructure committee. bill sherman talks about the funding for amtrak. here's his thoughts on this. bill:

john: coming up, the spy who came in from the cold in our studio. that is next. ♪ mark: thank you for coming. micaorel is our guest. we will talk about that and some current stuff. why did you read the book? michael morell: i think this will be a generational fight. i wanted americans to understand what the threat is and i wanted americans understand we have to keep the pressure on. the second reason is there are a lot of myths out there about the cia. one message that is we do everything right. just be james bond myth. -- the james bond myth. that is not true. and everything we touch we fail at. sort of the get smart maxwell smart myth. that is not true. and that we are a rogue agency and we do things the president does not know about and the congress does not know about. that is not true. the reality is is the cia is a bunch of incredibly hard-working, dedicated people trying to protect the country and we get many things wrong but we get many things right. i wanted americans to understand that. the third reason is if i happen to believe and this sounds weird coming from a former spy, that former