form a coalition government she had negotiated with the greens and the liberals for the so-called john mica coalition and she failed and now her last chance was really to get the social democrats to go this way towards a grand coalition with her and if the states to her only her last option would be a minority government which she never really wanted or even fresh elections and that would be a very problematic thing and it's unlikely or not clear whether she would even be the person leading her conservatives into fresh elections we're not that far but at the moment here you can hear a lot of pessimistic voices as well it's fifty fifty as most people who are observed the night and the morning here believe. and since you've been there all night for us fabian do you think that there's an end in sight when you think well you know the outcome of these talks. it's hard to say we heard something about nine o'clock but these are all just gassings from other observers mostly no clear deadline from anyone inside there was supposed to be a meeting of party committees at nine so that would have been a

one step away of forming a coalition with americans conservatives and the liberals the so-called john mica coalition that failed and now they ended up being the smallest of all the six of the four opposition parties in the german bunds talk and this new leader talking about robert ha back very simply who is this guy. the greens have very high hopes in this forty year old man he's a philosopher he's a writer of fiction and at the same time he's a minister in the state of the cause and minister for environment energy and agriculture he's a person who when you see this biography minister has no problem taking over responsibility that's why he's seen as a political realist in this pragmatic field special about him is his style he's the one hand this intellectual person with visions about the future of the labor of future of globalization energy does but the same time he's very much down to earth you know you would never see him wear a suit he has no problem to sit down with a farmer and chat about ordinary things so a pretty interesting figure there the chairman politician not wearing a suit i

right now the only doable solution because america doesn't want to have a minority government and john mica is off the table new elections would not lead to any significant changes in the in the vote shares so we will not end up with a either of center left or a center right majority so i think personally that the grand coalition is the only option is that a viable coalition for governing would you say because i mean we saw in the elections in september that the center you know that's where this grand coalition is because we have two parties one from the center left one from the center right that it was really bleeding supporters that those supporters many of them were voting in favor of the fringes in fact yeah i mean these parties lost quite some while shares but i mean we have to take into account that two additional parties entered the poly i'm and so they were set off to lose votes here so. i think that it even for the s.p.d. at the grand coalition could be beneficial because even if there was a minority government they would have to support the conservatives policy wise but would not

thirdly i mean everyone has basically lost either in the election or after the election during the john mica talks so the established parties have suffered immensely and she is among the losers that you can see everywhere in german politics right now so what does that mean and what can she do yeah yeah and talking about you know going forward what can she do because we have these talks that are coming up next week they will kick off to try and produce a new government potentially a new you know a new old grand coalition i guess you could say how hopeful are you back could be a feasible solution for germany's future. first of all she has to be successful to go to school if she does so she can rectify her position. she i mean let's not forget it so it is a collision between loses and weekend party leaders they had to do to be successful no one can really afford to go into a new election so i think they have mined by the fia of new elections so there must be success successful in some ways to see my expectation is that they are successful in building a coalition a stable one and marco will now

we have john wills followed by mica bart-rodgers, jean peters. is john wills in the room? >> i withdraw. >> thank you. we have mica bart-rodgers, followed by jean peters. >> had to leave. >> okay. jean peters, followed by tony gonzalez. followed by leanne grossman. >> we're at a critical juncture and you hold the key for this movement to move eastward in divestment and the retirement funds of other cities across the board, so i really encourage you to think about the sacredness of water and the contaminates and the pollution that the industries have brought to our communities and many areas are sacred sites that you also would be protecting, so i encourage you to divest at the earliest time possible. >> would you identify yourself? >> gonzalez -- >> thank you, mr. gonzalez. i still have jean peters, followed by leanne grossman. >> the main argument used that we shouldn't divest fully is that we have influence by interesting our investments. i ask you as a board, did you ever influence in the time you've had, all of that money invested in oil, did you influence exxon, shell,