. >> that was republican congressman john mika of florida on fox news, obviously, advancing the latestspiracy on the right about this thing you might have heard of called fast and furious. we talked about it on the show last night. if you're unfame with the fast and furious thing you were forgiven. it's a law enforcement strategy that started during the bush administration. it was a problem to let sketchy gun sales go through in hopes of following the guns across the border could them to where nekd arrest. the idea was born in the george w. bush administration. it was a failure. the obama administration shut it down. on the right this whole thing was a seek the plot to create gun violence in mexico. they wanted that for a political reason. having lots of gun violence in mexico would make people feel bad about gun violence and stirring up anti-gun feelings in this country would allow the obama administration to element the second amendment and take away everybody's guns? if you think that is freak cuckoo for cocoa puffs, it appears to have originated from this militia blogger guy from a

congressman john mika, chairman on transportation and infrastructure called another congressional hearing inside of an empty federal building. this time the meeting was held here in georgetown at the georgetown heating plant, which is again vacant and hasn't operated for more than a decade. it's expected to cost $3.5 million in operating expenses. the committee has previously held two hearings at the partially vacant old post office building on pennsylvania avenue. one hearing at the vacant anex, one block from the mall. she voiced her discouragement with gsa's oversight of unused federal buildings in the district of columbia. these hearings following congress's recent scrutiny of the excessive spending of things like company training and bonuses for managers. they say it seems like an effort to embarrass gsa, then you're absolutely right. >> here we sit in an empty building in the heart of our nation's capitol, most expensive real estate that you can find anywhere in the united states, and on the east coast and in the nation's capitol. nothing was done for ten years. >> this property is

is republican congressman john mika. nice to see you, sir. thank you for your time. >> good to be with you. >> i haven't had a chance to read the article. >> forgive me. >> i try not to read too much fiction or novels. >> we'll see how much fiction it is. she is standing by her story. i know you've had a chance to listen to the interview that we just did. she says that there are five people at the atf who are involved in this -- what was happening in phoenix who says there was no policy of gun walking, it did not happen. >> well, first of all, you just showed a clip of the attorney general saying that gun walking happened. quite frankly, i'm a member of the investigative committee, one of the senior members of the panel. i don't take our investigative facts and information from a magazine or some article. all we're interested in and all we're responsible for doing is finding out who did what, getting the pertinent documents. this is an investigative arm of the house of representatives. there is no reason why we should be denied the documents

but i will just say, mika, conservatives that are upset with john roberts today will be glad he's sitting for the next two decades. >> was anyone at this table or in washington not surprised? >> no. again there were people who said what i said yesterday, that if kennedy went with the majority john roberts would join the majority, see a 6-3 majority, and he would narrow the ruling. well, i -- >> you didn't think he would make the ruling. >> i was absolutely floored. here's the thing, he did narrow the ruling, he made the majority and he made it as narrow as possible saying forget the commerce clause and this tax argument, i think it's kind of stupid, but you guys debate this out in the campaign trail and we'll leave it to the voters. you know, there are conservatives like george will, i have to say this also, who say this sort of quote judicial restraint is -- is a dereliction of duty. there is an intellectual argument to say what he did yesterday was too clever by half and i think it's going to be great debate among conservative jurists for, god, the next 100 years. >> coming up -- >> thi

now on capitol hill, we've got a good friend of ours, republican senator john thune from south dakota. willie geist, a man that mikand i saw break in half like -- a chair. he was just sitting there and just the power, i mean it's -- i'm expecting 100 years from now, instead of kids seeing the legend of davey crockett they'll be singing about london jack from the dakotas that could break a chair. >> that story. >> with a single claw. >> especially great with no context whatsoever. >> ripping the arm off his chair. >> it's what makes our show our show. we do shortcuts. >> you can provide context, senator, or not. perhaps we'll move past that. >> we may want to move on. >> let's blow past it this time. let me ask you, senator, about three hours away from a big moment perhaps a historic moment for the drin here. as the supreme court rules on the affordable health care act. do you think it would be a good thing for the country, senator, if the supreme court repeals, strikes down this entire law? >> i do. i think what that would do is create an opportunity for us to really do this the right way. when this was rushed thro

. >> mika, if you or anybody else out there can show me this type of spread from four years -- from eight years ago on john kerry and his massive accumulations and on theresa heinz kerry, who has every right to live well, they have every right to live well, but so too do the romney. >> and willie geist pointed out an article that he was windsurfing in nantucket and how he's out of touch. does this stuff matter, do you think? >> i don't think the election -- i don't think voters care about vacation homes and that sort of thing. but the reason it could be damaging to mitt romney is if it reinforces this idea that he's a rich guy that doesn't care about you, doesn't know about the kind of life you live, economic pressures ordinary americans face. if that happens and then i think it's a political problem for him. but the fact is, if you're the republican nominee for president and you buy a $12 million house and tear it down with -- with proposal to tear it down and tbld with a grander house, we're going to write about it. >> he was there the last couple of weekends and pruning the hedges and painting the fence

mika? >> national affairs editor for "new york" magazine and political analyst, john heilemann. >> that is had no one. also, msnbc contributor, mike barnicle, president obama has asserted the first executive privilege of his administration, setting off a fight with congressional republicans who are claiming election year overreach by the president. the white house moved to protect attorney general eric holder from a year-long investigation by shielding documents on the government's botched sting operation known as fast & furious. despite the president's move, the house oversight committee voted along party lines to recommend attorney general holder be held in contempt for failing to produce documents showing when the administration knew there were problems with the operation. for weeks, department of justice and the house committee have been at odds over what information could be released. the white house argues that attorney general holder has been cooperative, offering up over 7,000 documents, and testifying nine times. republicans say the administration is trying to hide information whi

john barrasso. by the way, that laughing had nothing to do with whatever clip that was that we played before. so, mikat to visit us. >> so nice. >> yes. >> we miss her today. >> she passed out my encrusted jewels and walked back off. >> gave the queenly wave and off she went again. so, anyway, so what do you think, senator? what do you think about the ryan budget and all this talk about how republicans are against firefighters and teachers and that there's some pretty massive cuts in there that would hurt? >> i want a healthy economy. i want to get people back to work. you saw the president on friday make a statement that he said the private sector is doing fine. and it is not. but he was unscripted, wasn't reading from the teleprompter. i think that's what he believes. and that's -- americans get the fact that they still have 8.2% unemployment. if they have kids like i do, you worry about your kids being able to get jobs. kids coming out of school with huge debt and the president is running around college campuses, those kids can't find work. a month ago for every one person that found a job, three p

mika, if you or anybody else out there can show me this type of spread from four years -- from eight years ago on john kerry and his massive accumulations, and on theresa heinz kerry, who has every right to live well, they have every right to live well. but so too do the romneys. and i say this -- i mean it. and i've talked to you, and you've heard conservatives scream at me about defending "the times" as the best newspaper in the world. i say this because i love "the times." and i think they are embarrassing themselves. and i don't want to go through what we went through four years ago with them. and you remember four years ago. >> it was unbelievable. the disproportionate attention that certain mccain stories got were amazing. this is almost on a weekly basis now with "the times." if you go back over the last few weeks, the rickets piece, the huge front page piece on romney's -- >> let me just say for people that don't say, you work for the romney campaign. you don't work for, you're an adviser. >> i'm an adviser. but almost every week, there is a huge spread that digs deep into an issue that does n