scuse me founder of malden economics with us too so before the break john moulden you were laying out scenarios for europe that go from bad disaster a or b. and jim workers i want to get you in here because i think that you may disagree on . camping with your your take john certainly right that you had debt is unsustainable that pretty more money by itself doesn't solve anything doesn't solve the debt problem i just kind of job to footnotes john one you know in seventeen eighty seven says sovereigns as diverse as south carolina and new york gave up some of their sovereignty to form the united states of america so you're exactly right that a monetary union is not sustainable without a fiscal union but i just want to suggest that as you said yourself maybe the fiscal union is coming maybe this is just a two step process in the elites are saying that we have to do this in stages we can't cram it down people's throats all it wants but over time will come to get there and that's what naomi klein calls the shock doctrine which is use a shock to drive through unpopular policy use the euro so