joining us is julian epstein and ford o'connell a former advisor to senator john mccain's presidentials to both of you. good to see you. >> thank you for having us on, doug. >> good to see you. good morning. >> julian, let's start with you. do you think president obama wants us to go over the fiscal cliff? >> nobody wants us to go over the fiscal cliff. the estimates show that if we go over the fiscal cliff it could cost us some where between 1 and 2 gdp points. nobody thinks it is a good idea. every single poll including the "wall street journal" and pugh has shown that the american public overwhelmingly by the order of 70% want a balanced approach. of the $2 trillion in deficit reduction goal, a trillion, half in revenues and a trillion the other half in spending cuts. in fact, that is where most economists and deficit reduction experts are. the idea of balance. that is where the election, the american people were, the president campaigned on this issue and that is where john boehner was a week ago. a trillion in tax revenues and a trillion in cuts and took that to his own republican