host: john o'leary is the author of the book "if we can put a man on the moon." he is also executive editor -- executive editor of the website better, faster, cheaper. guest: steven goldsmith is really the owner of it at the- center. we look at -- at the ash center. we look at news, published stories about innovative practices, best practices at state and local rubber bands. one challenge is that -- at state and local government. one challenge is that governments tend to move more slowly. we try to collect good ideas, collect things that do work and promote them and spread them. host: what is the website? guest: betterfastercheaper.com. host: we will have it on the screen. frank, democratic collar. -- caller. caller: i would like to ask if you could give an assessment of what the financial investment economy influence is on these major projects and programs. in 1958, the amount of money invested in financial products like these derivatives and such surpassed the amount of money invested in companies that actually made things. i think right now, no one can dispute