. $4,000 if you want a good seat and john parry is the head referee of the game.ese res all have other jobs, he's associate financial adviser at ameriprise in ohio. i asked the nfl if he'd come on for an interview and they said no. >> do you know what libor stands for? >> reporter: oh, oh -- >> how about cds. how's that feel? feel pretty good. >> reporter: no, i'm the sports guy. i shouldn't know. i do know eebitda. >> what's ebitda? >> reporter: earnings before interest tax depreciation amortization. >> yes! >> yes, very good! >> how about revpar or the crack spread. >> i like a good crack spread. >> down boy. >> revpar was revenue per available room. not a great one, no couch and not really an ocean view. revenue per average room, doesn't take into account suites or -- >> reporter: i actually prefer rack rate. >> oh. >> okay. if you want to take it there. >> reporter: on the hotel room. >> you want to take it there, okay, fine. we're leaving. we'll take a break. we do love that segment, though, darren. >> we do. >> did you do some giants, too or was it mostly pa