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in the fifth place i would say john paul ii has a lay soul. those of you who have read crossing the threshold, and gifted mystery, know there are more young men in seminaries today because of this man than because of any other single factor of the time. on the other hand, this priestly priest, this very priestly priest is the first hope in centuries who for many years intended to live his christian vocation as a layman, and who confesses in threshold and gifted mystery it was a wrestling match when he first felt the finger of god fallen his life, offering him the possibility of a priestly vocation. the pope's press spokesman for the past 17 years, a man who knows john paul ii very well, told me once when they were on vacation together in the dolomites, he said to the pope "holy father, you have a priest's heart and a lay head." what did he say? joaquin said his eyebrows went up for a minute but he didn't disagree. if you had spoken to any of the popes of the past 200 years about their early experience of the priesthood, what was it like, the p

soul is whatf his makes pope john paul ii the most i've ever listener encountered in my life. when you are with him he doesn't want to tell you what he thinks. he doesn't want to tell you what to think. he wants to know what you think. he wants to know what is going on. that curiosity which is every today ative and him age 79 plus is because of this profound conviction that everyone he meets is an actor or actress in this great cost the drama of salvation. in the fifth place i would say y soul.ul ii has a la those of you who have read crossing the threshold, and there aretery, more young men in seminaries today because of this man than because of any other single factor of the time. on the other hand this priestly priest, this very priestly priest is the first hope in centuries who for many years intended to live his christian vocation as a layman, and who confesses in threshold and gifted mystery it was a wrestling match when he first felt the finger of god fallen his life, offering him the possibility of a priestly vocation. the pope's press spokesman for the past 17 years,

it's not very different than john paul ii's message. nobody spoke out about against capitalism louder than john paul ii did. as loud as he spoke out against communism. francis is the same way. this is a different and at the same time continuing sort of ball game that we're seeing. >> well, let's take a little bit of a look at both of these propositions. one about how far this pope may go not just compared to john paul ii but really compared to anything that congress hazarded in this way before. he referred to capitalism as the dung of the devil. no subtlety to that expression. if he goes before congress and makes the case that seems to be most basic with this pope is you have a lot of money, you don't spend it in the right ways it should change. yes, he'll fold that into global warming and the conservation of humanity. if that's the thrust of the capitalist of his discussion what do you think congress does with a message like that. >> i think they listen. i think they're own debate about culture warfare and republicans and democrats aren

may i now invite pope john paul ii to address the assembly? pope john paul ii: mr. president, ladies and gentlemen, it is an honor for me to have the opportunity to address this international assembly and to join the men and women of every country, race, language and culture in celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of the founding of the united nations organization. i wish to express my heartfelt gratitude in the first place to the secretary-general, dr. boutros-ghali, for having encouraged this visit. and i thank you, mr. president, for your cordial welcome. i greet all of you, the members of this general assembly: i am grateful for your presence and for your kind attentn. ladies and gentlemen, on the threshold of a new millennium, we are witnessing an acceleration of the quest for freedom which is one of the great dynamics of human history. this phenomenon is not limited to any one part of the world; nor is it the expression of any single culture. men and women throughout the world, even when threatened by violence, have taken the risk of freedom, asking to be give

may i now invite his holiness john paul ii to address the general assembly? [applause] pope john paul ii: mr. president, my address today will be published in its entirety, just as i wrote it, because of its length, however, i shall now read it in a shortened form. i desire to express my gratitude to the general assembly of the united nations, which i am permitted today to participate in and to address. this is the real reason, the essential reason for my presence among you, and i wish to thank thank this distinguished assembly, for giving consideration to this reason, which can make my presence among you in somewhat useful. here, before the representatives of the states, i wish not only to thank you, but to also offer my special congratulations since the invitation extended to the pope to speak before your assembly shows the united nations organization accepts and respects the moral dimension of those human problems that the church attendance. ttends. if you hear the message of truth and love, it is her duty to bring to the world. the questions that concern y

just in the church. >> reporter: for john paul that meant fighting to end communism, for francis -- there are plenty of differences, personal styles and age, john paul ii was just 58 years old when he assumed the papacy. francis was 76. john paul operated in a world of tv news. francis lives in the twittersphere. >> kind of neutral language for everybody. >> reporter: father daniel joyce. >> john paul ii was a strong leader. he represented leadership from the center of the church at a time when we needed that. pope francis, ironically, is a very shy man, a shy introvert. but i think he understands that the office of the pope, the position, the being the bishop of rome requires he be this person who the church and the world gets to know and hears his message. >> reporter: both face challenges, for john paul ii it was the priest sex abuse scandal. for francis it's shrinking church membership, especially in the u.s. but says palmo, both men have in their own way transformed the institution. >> they've enabled catholics to feel good about the church that the rest of the world to look on to say they deserve because their leader practices what he preaches. >

tonight, we revisit a family of a monmouth county girl blessed by pope john paul ii 20 years ago. parents elizabeth and ward with their daughter katie, who continues to defy the odds. >> look who's here! and did we practice? are you going to say hi, dana? >> hi, dana. >> reporter: hi, katie. katie is 22 and has a genetic disorder degeneration in the brain means her nerves are exposed and sends misfires in her body. she can't swallow or talk and she also has muscular dystrophy. but seeing katie now and in 2004, with her devoted big sister maura, it's evident caitlyn is a fighter. >> you want her head on the pillow? >> yes. i think she wants to -- there you go. >> reporter: she was born healthy in 1993 at a year and a half her parents devout catholics were told she wouldn't live past 5 years old. i met them by chance at newark airport in 1995. what started as a routine live report of pope john paul ii's departure turned into something extraordinary for the family and for me when the pope pointed to law enforcement families waiting to wave good-bye. >> he is 10 feet from me he is goi

we all know what kind of a great man pope john paul was and what he became. >> reporter: this is pope john paul ii's first trip to america and the second time a pope visited the united states. what an impact it had. maybe the moment or image that best sums up his time during his stay, the iconic picture of his holiness holding the six-year-old girl. >> i remember him coming through, and he was waving, beckoning. the next thing i knew, the guard lifted me over the railing. i remember my feet touching the railing into the pope's arms and he lifted me up on to the pope mobile. >> reporter: what was that like? >> amazing. he was holding the bottom of my legs. the music was playing. i was shaking them to the music. he was smiling at me. >> reporter: the man who took the picture, george kalinsky. >> every perfect moment happened at this moment. >> reporter: in a matter of days, the picture went world wide. it touched so many people, including the pope, who kept that picture on his desk until the day he died. >> i think the pope realized this moment was so important and had such spiritual feelings and love

it's john paul the ii this and francis that. tourists to name their favorite pope, the two names rise to the top. >> pope paul ii. >> why is that? >> well, i can relate to him. i'm ukrainian and he's polish we're like near the border an lot of things he talked about really touched my heart. ♪ new life, new church. >> reporter: under francis a new life an new church. >> si. ♪ >> reporter: what are the similarities between these two popes. >> wild charisma. >> rocco palmo who chronicles the papacy says john paul ii -- >> god said his grace on thee. >> the first ever polish pope and francis from south america share a belief in the vital role of their papacy. >> sense of wanting to make an impact concretely in policy in the life of the world. not just in the life of the church. >> john paul that meant fighting to end communism. for francis, playing diplomat as the us and cuba re-establish ties. there are plenty of differences. personal styles and age. john paul ii was just 58 years old when he assumed the papacy. francis was 76. john

john paul ii and benedict the xvi.e memories of those visits awakens gratitude and affection in the people of cuba. today we renew those bonds of cooperation and friendship so that the church can continue to support and encourage the cuban people in its hopes and concerns with the freedom and all the means and space needed to bring the proclamation of the kingdom to the kpexistential peripherie of society. this apostolic journey also coincides with the first centenary of pope benedict's xv decoration of lady of charity as patroness of cuba. it was the veterans of the war of independence who moved by sentiments of faith wanted the virgin mambisa to be the patroness of cuba as a free and sovereign nation. since that time, she has accompanied the history of the cuban people, sustaining the hope which preserves people's dignity in the most difficult situations and championing the promotion of all that gives dignity to the human person. the growing devotion is a visible testimony to the virgin in the soul of the cuban peopl

john paul ii was that way. do they factor in the time it takes to do that, to mingle with the people? is the pontiff on time? >> they do. i was talking with the guy who organizes the trips. he says that's one of the problems because he basically walks in a room, he will want to try to greet everybody in turn. that's not always possible. sometimes they have to sort of guide him. i think that's sort of a continual let's say pleasant tug of war with security. >> we are told there are 30 some odd high schoolers who actually won a lottery to get to this moment. you know, this pope speaks a lot of languages. english isn't one of them. >> he's been working on it. some of the speeches will be in english. we have seen him do it. he's clearly comfortable in spanish and italian and i think he goes back to spanish whenever he can because he's really comfortable in that. >> this is a pontiff who took the lead in addressing the sex scandals and the rest that had bedeviled the church. much more proactive, firing even some bis

that was john paul ii.nd after three years with the august stinnian order, i felt a different path. and i am thinking about the young men and women who will be called to the servant leadership because of this pope, who are inspired by him, who will reach within their own soul to understand the journey that they have to face ahead of them in serving people. the interesting thing that this pope, i think, brings to that conversation, joe, is that it's not necessarily serving in a religious habit or with a priestly collar but serving your neighbor. i think mike barnicle said it earlier. you know, do unto others. be there for otrs. and that is an inspiring message that i think the world is longing for right now, which is why you see this gravitational pull to the center of this pope's message. >> let's bring chris matthews in. briefly, chris, we in america are criticizing our political parties and our bureaucracies for not providing us the leaders that we deserve. you look a the catholic church, a massive instit

he called him in the second person, pope john paul ii, strange use of the second person.ident called him your holy father right through and no problem addressing the pope. didn't say your holiness and did say holy father and we've made progress. >> do you believe in the phrase each generation get it is leaders it deserves where the catholic church is concerned? >> jefferson was right about our country and that, too. i think we're picking them, i think the availability of people as great as this man is probably pretty short and came in second it's believed in the election last time to benedict. benedict came out and i was here and i wasn't there but right before it and he gave a wonderful mark anthony speech and he just raved about john paul ii and almost guaranteed he would be elected and he was and i think second ballot and i think there's politics involved and the church wants to prevail, not just survive and knows we need the lapsed catholics and to tell gay people they can't be catholics or women married, the wrong marriage the first time and second marriage is workin

i wonder if you can compare this visit from pope francis to pope john paul ii. >> they have the same message about the poor, the marginalized, the responsibility of rich nations to their people and those who are forgotten. that's the gospel. that's the gospel of christ. both john paul ii and francis are masters of preaching this gospel and both preimminent leaders of their time in many ways because they transcend national leadership. they have the biggest following, certainly, of any particular leader in the world today. and so this is going to be really fascinating to see if this pope can keep his visit from becoming politicized. he doesn't want it politicized. there are those who wants it politicized, particularly those who oppose his message and think somehow it's, quote, too liberal or progressive. >> to that point, with these historic meetings, sitting down with the president, speaking before congress, just to name a couple, what then is the goal, do you think, for the pope in these meetings? >> the pope wants the agenda of the world to focus on what the world preaches. on cathol

chinese -- [speaking foreign language] pope john paul ii: pope john paul ii the united nations sayse and the prosperity of the human family. [applause] i wish to the ii: whole world and all peoples freedom and peace in living together. and i hope that the entire world can live in freedom and dignity and a truly achieved peace. thank you. [applause] >> on behalf of the general assembly, i wish to express our deep appreciation to pope john paul ii for his inspiring statement. i request the representatives to while theough secretary and i call his holiness out of the assembly hall. following this, the meeting will be adjourned. [applause] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2015] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] announcer: the pope's visit to the u.s.. c-span has live coverage from washington, d.c.. the first stop from the tour. the welcoming ceremony for the pope as the obamas officially welcomed the pope to the white house. 4:00, starting at c-span's live coverage begi

i walked up to the microphone >> we respectfully welcome his holiness, pope john paul ii. and a big cheer went up. and then we had to wait a while. george jumped the gun and introduced the pope a little earlier than he should have. that just helped build the anticipation. >> i was a 17-year-old kid from staten island who was chosen to play a role and we all know what kind of a great man pope john paul was and what he became. >> reporter: this was his first trip to america and the second time a pope had visited the united states. what an impact it had. maybe the moment or image that sums up his time, the iconic picture of him holding six-year-old daughter. >> he was waving, beckoning. the guard lifted me over the railing. i remember my feet touching the railing. he lifted me up on to the popemobile. >> what was that like? >> amazing. he was holding the bottom of my legs and the music was playing and i was shaking them to the music and looking up and smiling at me and i at him. >> reporter: the man that took that picture, george kalinsky. >> every perfect moment that can go

john paul ii really kind of made the popemobile in fashion. there have been, we're told, a number of manufacturers. everything from fiat, cadillac, land rover, mercedes. but right now, the jeep wrangler and the bulletproof glass in the front but open to sides and occasion lil peopally people co leave gifts. we're told what happens to gifts if they're perishable, given to the poor. others end up vatican storage, if you will. >> lester, i think another interesting point about father serra is that, as george was saying, that he left a life behind. he went out of his comfort zone to try to bring faith to people. >> that's a message the peep wants to get across. >> exactly right. that's what he spoke about in cuba. he spoke about the importance of us all going out, he references mary, jesus' first disciple, the first person to be a servant and he fundamentally believes that all of us, every single person, regardless of our economic background, that we can go out and in service, that great quote, you find yourself and find people in need. you find s

michael valente. 20 years ago, he got a phone call and was asked to compose a piece, a work for pope john paul ii f. he did that. for his entrance into central park. it t's an eight-minute piece. pope john paul got up on stage quicker. he was on stage in four minutes, but he let the band play.hhe loved it and michael valente, that new yorker, had the honor for pope benedict in 2008 and tonight, it will be playing again for pope francis. it's called processional for a pontiff. listen carefully for that at the beginning of mass as pope francis enters. there's something else i want you to look at. the chair the pope will be sitting on, that was built in westchester by fausto hernandez, hector rojas and -- they're day labors in port chester in westchester county. they made the chair, also, the altar. very, very simple. let's go to david ushery standing outside right now. david, what do you see outside the garden? >> we see what we believe to be the first vehicles of the security detail. we're looking east down 33rd street. so it's one that checkey heard. the roar of the crowd that kind of indicates w

terry joining us on set and tonight, one woman's story about how she got to see pope john paul ii ina special way in philadelphia all those years ago. sheena? >> and we have a few showers around now, cool temperatures again tonight, midweek warmup and your papal visit weather all coming up. >>> five days to go until the arrival of pope francis in philadelphia. >> as part of nbc 10's coverage, we are bringing you back a familiar face. >> we are, terry ruggles covered pope john paul ii visit in 1979. now he is returning to help increase our coverage. he's joining us tonight. welcome back, terry. great to have you. >> i'm not sure if i should feel old after that introduction. >> you didn't retire after all. >> reservist coming back to active duty, that's right. let's talk about 36 years ago, because 36 years ago like so many people, barb made special plans to see the pope, but what is it they say about the best laid plans of mice and men, or maybe it's murphy's law, this mother from montgomery county was not going to be denied when some complications came up. barb says when pope john pa

butch was part of the mounted patrol in 1979 when pope john paul ii came to philadelphia.he morning the pope went to the civic center, butch and three other mounted patrol officers were sent around back. you're thinking you're not going to see the pope. >> no, no. >> but for some reason the secret service directed the pope behind the civic center before coming out to meet the crowd in front. >> he gets out of the car and looks at the horse like i'm looking at this horse, all right, and my heart's beating through my chest, because my horse is named bruno and he was a little nuts. >> riders will tell you horses sometimes get very nervous, even wild, when a stranger touches their face. >> the pope goes like this, puts his hand and makes the sign of the cross. he taps the horse on the head, and the horse didn't move, like it was mesmerized. >> bruno didn't move a muscle, but when the pope got back into his car and went out front to meet the crowd -- >> i kissed this horse like it was my wife, i kissed this horse. i could have swore, this was going to go bad. >> but you got to

in 1979, a little girl also ad madison square garden got up close to then-pope john paul ii. an casarez spoke with her and her family about that monumental day decades ago. >> reporter: the little girl in red. in 1979, she captured the heart of the country and pope john paul ii during his visit to new york city's madison square garden for the youth rally. and from that moment on, the life of the 6-year-old jerilyn smith was changed forever. it was a difficult time for the family. the children's father, a member of the elite division of the nypd that guarded the likes of heads of state and new york's cardinal cook, had suddenly died the previous year. >> it was the night before i got a call from a member of the police department that they had secured four tickets. >> reporter: that day, jerilyn happened to wear red and white, the colors of poland, the pope's native country. her sister, 16 at the time, remembers the energy when they got to madison square garden. >> electrifying, inspirational. everything about it -- they had to try and calm the crowd down so he could even speak.

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gregory the great that we received from john paul ii. as a jewish man, i was the seventh jewish man in history to receive that. >> reporter: in 2000, gary, an owner of medical centers, was knighted by pope john paul ii after a friend put him in touch with a roman bishop who needed help procuring medical equipment for a hospital in italy. >> over 20 years helping them get their medical technology, saved them over $20 million over that period of time. and consequently, because of that, i was knighted by john paul ii. now i'm a jewish guy. as a papal might, i can do something between the jewish people and the catholics. >> reporter: the result was the pave the way foundation which he and his wife started. >> pave the way foundation works between religions. we deal with nontheological obstacles and gestures. >> reporter: one of the biggest and most controversial obstacles concerned pope pius. he has spent years trying to prove he was on the right side of history and has garnered criticism. >> your pilgrimage to history and -- >> reporter: con

pope john paul ii did make a distinction like that with respect to capitalism. i would love for the social and cyclicals to make this decision. very often they don't. pope john paul ii said if by capitalism we mean this, then no. it by capitalism we mean this, then yes but let's call it something else is what he said. the other one is the one that i would understand is the proper definition and very often i think not just catholics but many people, many critics of free market economic don't distinguish between the mechanism will assumption, the ideologies that might be part of this package of someone making the case for economic freedom and the real system itself, simply the question, the empirical question if we look at the types of systems and a tight of institutions societies have, in which of those societies to people do better off or not but what we of will do and i did this as a college student, i preferred -- i accused ayn rand, her metaphysical assumption, her moral assumption, with the case for economic freedom but the catholic doesn't need rand. there a

john paul did make that to capitalism. i'd frankly love them to make the difference but pope john paul ii, st. john paul ii said if by capitalism we mean this then no. if by capitalism means this then yes. but let's call it something else. and very often i think not just catholics but many people, many critics of free market economics don't distinguish the metaphysical assumptions and the ideologies that might be the package of someone making the case for economic freedom and the real system itself or simply the question, just the empirical question. if we look at the types of systems and institutions that societies have, in which do societies tend to do better off or not? and frankly i did this as a college student is i confused say, the moral assumptions with the case for economic freedom. but the catholic doesn't need rand. there's plenty of ways to make the case for economic without that. i would argue we don't want to do that. if you want to be a catholic that is sort of in this area is use authentically catholic resources and develop the case for economic freedom based upon our empirical

in the past, we are told it was customary for pope benedict and pope john paul ii, saint john paul ii for them to take out the first class seats and set up a bed and make it more comfortable for those pontiffs but pope francis we're told insisted he wants no special treatment. so he will be sitting on a regular seat, on this plane, behind me, and of course, pope benedict and pope john paul ii were a bit more frail compared to pope francis. but he has had a very full last few days. so you would think maybe he would want to use the 45 minutes to rest up before philly but he is insisting on no special treatment. and i also want to mention, too, among the crowd here, we had a chance to speak earlier with a girl, 15 years old, in a wheelchair, and has suffered from cerebral palsy, her whole life. she is here with her father, they just found out about a day ago, he said, that they were able to come here, and they just were talking about how amazing it is, they used the word awesome, to get the opportunity to come to see the leader of the catholic faith. they say they are very devout. we ask

guest: the pope i was most familiar with was john paul ii, saint john paul ii.as a charismatic man of great energy before he got so .ick with parkinson's disease he to knew how to use the modern-day media very well. it was a great communicator. then there was pope and addicts who is a more cerebral, scholarly sort of person, and kept his own counsel more. and now we have prices who is a francis whowe have is a real extrovert and is a very popular is that in the world, maybe the most popular person in the world. so what he says gets a great deal of attention, which is why this is so important about what he says and also what he thinks. there are some areas i think that maybe he is being misguided , or his experience growing up in argentina under the perrone's formed hisas thinking about capitalism and the free market. i think the united states is a perfect model to demonstrate to here, in washington at least, four days in the u.s. -- what capitalism means and what he can do for people, and how it can allow them to come out of poverty. and when it does, in the uni

it was started by john paul ii and given importance by him. benedict took on the last one and benedict did the last one in milan. as you pointed out, this is the reason we ended up with the pope in the united states. he committed to this. i wouldn't say the u.s. get tacked on in the white house. but this was the reason. and this was the main motivation. and it is essentially because of the importance of the family. now, pope francis, you know, recognizes that there are a lot of people -- not everything is black and white. of course he's going to support the traditional family. he realizes not everything is black and white. he gave great support to a single mom. he said i know a lot of people look at you badly. they look at you somehow as scant. but be proud of yourself and carry on. walk with your head high. it was very interesting. i think he recognizes the family is not only under threat but the typical problems and difficulties they have. and the church has to help it along. >> why the selection of independence hall? u.s. constitution, decl

with john paul ii, saint john paul ii and pope benedict, the dynamic was that the press was very criticalf them leading up to their visits about how they're out of touch, one called benedict still in the fifth century, that sort of stuff because they're out of tune with abortion, gay marriage, with the priesthood, et cetera. when it came to hard news, when the pontiff arrived in washington, whether it was john paul, whether it was benedict, very positive because the hard news you saw the celebration, so it was very positive, and then it became negative afterwards. with this pope, it's been very positive leading up to the trip because they like him. they like him for political reasons. he's a very political pope, and as a political pope he's taken very strong stands on global warming. he's taken strong stands on wealth distribution and things of that nature. so that's the first dynamic. the second dynamic is that this pope is terrible, terrible when it comes to public relations. he's made one mistake after another where he gives interviews or says things off the cuff that have gotten him i

john paul ii from poland, this is changing. now they went -- he even said the cardinals have gone to the other side of the world. in 1978 when john paul ii stood on the balcony he said they have chosen a cardinal from far away. just north in poland. we went to the other end of the world, the cardinal or the pope said, to elect a new leader. >> on another level if you think about the past three popes, john paul ii, communism and poland. ratzinger, benedict, he was from nazi, germany, grew up in austria. you have this gentleman here who grew up in the problems of the huntas in south america. all three coming from troubled land who were suppressed. >> yes. totally part of their makeup. their dna, to know suffering, to know persecution, and still to bear witness to the faith. >> let me interrupt here, father, for a moment. to describe what's going on for our viewers just tuning in. we're looking at the american triple boeing 7 that pope francis has just boarded. those stairwells, one in the back is still attached. the other where th

john paul did make that to capitalism. i'd frankly love them to make the difference but pope john paul ii, st. john paul ii said if by capitalism we mean this then no. if by capitalism means this then yes. but let's call it something else. and very often i think not just catholics but many people, many critics of free market economics don't distinguish the metaphysical assumptions and the ideologies that might be the package of someone making the case for economic freedom and the real system itself or simply the question, just the empirical question. if we look at the types of systems and institutions that societies have, in which do societies tend to do better off or not? and frankly i did this as a college student is i confused say, the moral assumptions with the case for economic freedom. but the catholic doesn't need rand. there's plenty of ways to make the case for economic without that. i would argue we don't want to do that. if you want to be a catholic that is sort of in this area is use authentically catholic resources and develop the case for economic freedom based upon our empirical

scott presented pope john paul ii with flowers. >> i got to kiss the pope's ring.e gave us both the papal blessing. >> the pope gave scott a rosary he still cherishes today. it all happened so quickly. >> interaction was probably 20 seconds to 45 seconds. >> the meeting lasted a minute but i it's been a valuable part of scott's life for 36 years. caroline is hoping she meets pope francis. but even if she doesn't, she knows what o'hara band is doing is very important. >> i think it's a really great opportunity that we get to be the last thing that he's going to remember from america. >> well, just how close caroline will get to the pope this weekend is still to be determined. after eight years of graduation and onto the navy, we found that scott was a helicopter pilot in the navy and part of the crew who flew president reagan to the vatican to meet john paul ii. >> amazing. he's never going to feet that first time meeting the pope, though. >> i would not. i think you're 100% right there. >> 30 to 45 seconds is a long time. >> yes, it is. yes, it is. >> nice story th

paul, john paul ii, the last pope to visit philadelphia was st. hn paul ii back inning on the of 1979. he celebrated mass with an estimated 1 million people at logan circle. and we are how just more than two hours away from the pope's arrival in philadelphia. all weekend long, we'll be bringing you complete coverage of the papal visit including how to get you around. >> speaking of getting around, here is a live look at 95 vine street expressway. there are a number of closures that you need to know about. we'll cover those coming up. you can also find a list of the road closures on our nbc 10 app, a free down load. as we continue our coverage of the monpope in philadelphia, a e picture from the ben franklin park and i. people going through security. you should arrive at the basilica a little after 10:00 this morning. he's still in new york. we're trying to get you a live picture from when he takes off from new york and arrive at the atlantic aviation. >> and today will be a historic day for the city of philadelphia. millions expected to flock to ce

plus we catch up with a girl plucked out of the crowd by pope john paul ii in 1979. why she thinks the pope picked her and how this moment changed her life. >>> still ahead right here on the news at 5:00 other news of the day, including remembering a legend. >> if it weren't for yogi it's like the loss of another age. >> tearful fans pay tribute to a yankee great. the special honor that he will get at tonight's game. >> plus a warning before you ever let loose on yelp. why one sharp tongued review cost a woman $1,000. >> just a beautiful day out there although it's not really feeling like the first day of fall. feels more like august. but we are going to talk about the temperatures whether they are rising or falling over the return after the break. >>> welcome back, everyone, to our live coverage of pope francis' historic trip to america. this is a live picture from inside the national basilica of the national shrine of the immaculate conception in washington where he is celebrating his first mass in the united states. it appears they are either about to read the gos

in 1979 a little girl at madison square garden got close to john paul, ii.s 42 years old and attended pope francis' mass in the same location. imagine that. jean spoke with her. >> reporter: the little girl in red, in 1979 she captured the heart of the country and pope john paul, ii during his visit to madison square garden for the youth rally. from that moment on, the life of the 6-year-old jerilyn smith was changed forever. it was a difficult time for the family. a member of the elite division of the nypd that guarded the likes of heads of state and new york's cardinal cook had suddenly died the previous year. >> it was the night before i got a call from a member of the police department that they secured four tickets. >> reporter: that day, she just happened to wear red and white, the colors of poland, the pope's native country. her sister, 16 at the time remembers the energy when they got to madison square garden. >> electrifying, inspirational. everything about it. they had to try and calm, you know, the crowd down so he could even speak. that's how peo

john ii in 1992. "time" magazine made john paul ii man of the year a few years lawsuit in 19 is 95. he was certainly out of the box as well with. i remember traveling to the philippines with john paul, him wading into the crowds, driving security crazy. similar to francis in that way. obviously benedict, a little bit different. i started working in the vatican under benedict but i covered him a long time as cardinal. much more reserved as a figure, and, yet, revolutionary. revolutionary in the fact that he set this revolution in motion by resigning, no doubt about that and a couple other things about benedict. his first encyclical message we have heard a lot from pope francis, god is love. also, pope benedict was known as the green pope. now, having said all of that pope francis is certainly broken the mold anew. >> pope francis jesuit. first jesuit pope. what do you take away from that. for many catholic notice united states, i mean, around the world, that's what the huge big deal. >> well, it's a monstrous deal as the first jesuit. the jesuits were often on the front lines in the c

he covered the 1979 philadelphia visit of pope john paul ii.od to have you here. >> good to be here. >> coming back to help us with this coverage. 35-plus years, does it go by like that? >> sometimes yes and sometimes no, jim. i feel like a reservist that's been set up, but let me set the stage from 1979. back in 1979 you could buy a gallon of gasoline for 86 cents a gallon, a new car for about $3,700, and everyone was all the rage about a brand new device they called the walkman. here in the tri-state area, we were all atwitter and the excitement about a brand new pope, john paul ii. the crowd outside the old convention center across the street from children's hospital was restless. the pope was running almost an hour behind schedule. patients, parents, and nurses in the hospital were craning their necks at the windows waiting to get a look at the leader of the catholic church. >> can you tell me who's coming? will you please tell me who's coming? >> the pope! >> reporter: when john paul ii blessed the hospital as he stood in his car, it was o

scott presented pope john paul ii with flowers. >> i got to kiss the pope's ring.ave us both a papal blessing. >> reporter: the pope gave scott a rosary that scott still cherishes today. it happened so quickly. >> interaction was probably 30 seconds to 45 seconds. >> reporter: the meeting lasted less than a minute but it's been a valuable part of scott's life for 36 years. caroline is hoping she meets pope francis, but even if she doesn't, she knows what the o'hara band is doing is very important. >> i think it's a really great opportunity that we get to be the last thing that he's going to remember from america. >> just how close caroline will be to the pope this weekend is still to be determined. eight years after scott sanford met the pope in philadelphia, he was a helicopter pilot in the navy and part of the crew who flew president reagan to the vatican to meet pope john paul ii. >> so two memorable occasions for him. >> what are the chances of that? >> i hope caroline meets him. >> me too. not more than she does, of course. >> we'll be right back. >>> terry is

more complex you say than the visits of john paul ii or pope benedi benedict.ou explain what you mean by that? >> yeah. >> in church history, there is a 50-year history of the visits of the popes to the united states. but the previous ones up to the visit of pope benedict in 2008, they happened in a church that was quiet or where dissent was marginal in some places. the special thing for pope francis is he has opened the debate on many issues like gays or contraception, marriage and family that we ignore they were there, and it happens that these issues are extremely important for the identity of the catholic church in the west. in this sense, pope francis is bringing the center of the bishops to america and he ae's trying to involve the u.s. bishops. >> you mentioned some social issues, but i want to ask you about the role of negotiator for this pope. you know, he helped broker renewed relations with cuba, reports thatasked to intervene in iran. how successful has he been so far serving as this intermediary? >> so far, he has been successful. i mean, the vatic

even when pope john paul ii made him a cardinal in 2001, bergoglio remained unassuming.he started to move and become bishop, archbishop on, cardinal, did your friend change or was he the same jorge? >> translator: jorge is the exact same person today that he was at 13. >> really? >> translator: exactly the same. >> with exactly the same stinging sense of humor. bergoglio's nephew jose. >> translator: it is customary to give a light slap on the cheek to each child taking confirmation and he had been giving a light slap to everyone. when it came to my turn, he gave me a tremendous slap that made my head turn. >> how would you describe him as a man? is he funny? >> yes. he has a special humor. acid humor. >> a little acidic? >> yeah, acidic humor. >> can he take it or can he give it only? >> no, he takes and gives. >> you might not expect this man to be one of the pope's closest friends, but he is. in america we have an expression that's slang where we say "a brother from another mother." >> yeah, that's true. >> is that you and francisco? >> yes. we are brothers. >> they a

the first pope to visit here was john paul ii and the year was 1979.sed it to the status of a minor basilica and if you were to take a look at the guest book encased in glass inside the building behind me, you would see jp ii's signature and pope benedict celebrated mass at the basilica and bestowed the golden rose on it dating to the 11th century so there hasn't been a basilica for long. it has had some notable visitors as the most recent makes his way toward it now. i feel like we're presiding over the god network all of a sudden and i don't think it's a bad thing. >> not a bad thing. >> the music is stunning, i must say. >> it really is spectacular. the message of that was basically be with me. >> stay with me, lord stay close to me and a lot of hymns before mass, all are diverse and so many chapels inside there representing mary and all different cultural -- each -- many nations have nations have given cultures in the united states have contributed to the chapel. so grew go around there's argentina, chile', canada, all over the place, europe. you g

this is the challis that was used by john paul, ii. >> reporter: a secret vault inside st. matthews protects the challis and processional cross used by john paul at the outdoor mass on the national mall. they will not be used by pope francis on this trip but no doubt in a matter of hours history will be made again at st. matthews cathedral, peggy fox, wusa9. >> st. math news is celebrating its 1 -- matthews is celebrating its 175th year. it's best known for the site of the funeral of president john f. kennedy and on the first monday in october the cathedral hosts the annual red mass which is attended by supreme court justices. the clergy who celebrate that mass traditionally wear red. >>> you heard monsignor jamison talk about tight security. make sure you download our new mobile app where you will find all of the information at your fingertips about road closures and items you cannot bring with you to any of the venues where the pope will be attending. >>> if you don't have plans tomorrow, the world famous thunderbirds are the stars of the annual airshow at joint base andr

we are not looking at john paul ii. he is a pale imitation of john paul ii. d embraced freedom. pope francis is embracing revolutionaries. freedom eliminates poverty around the world, capitalism eliminates poverty around the world, revolution causes people to die. the pope recently made a crisis on greed. do you think isis did what they do on the purpose of money or the purpose of religion? he is a global warming extremist. you're telling me the pope is not an ideolog when he does that? no one bats an eye. >> he is watching the efforts of poor people. >> why are people poor? because they are -- he had the moment to make political freedom in cuba, and he didn't. >> so dana, let me ask you this. the pope is going to address the joint chamber of congress, and there are members of congress who say, i'm not sure i want to show up because of what his message is. is that a good idea or bad idea? >> of course you go and listen to the pope. if you disagree, you disagree. i think the cuban government should be ashamed of themselves. my heart breaks for those dissidents

when pope john paul ii goes to poland at the end of the '70s, it is is a sensational moment. it is viewed by a billion people in the world. i think that he was -- he played a big role in keeping solidarity alive and keeping support for lek walensa. he debates one of the members of the government and shows what a charismatic figure he is. and i think that history will regard him as one of the giants of the 20th century. poland is a very important, confusing but relevant story in the early '80s. one of the scholars is greg don ver from the late '70s to early '90s. many of the things we hear about going on in ukraine, a lot of debates are very much like some of the arguments that -- political arguments and tensions perhaps between the united states and western europe. once you have a series of strikes in poland in the late '70s and the possibilities that the soviets might go in as they had done in shebg czechoslovakia in 1968. >> in this book you described the scene with gorbachev and reagan. what about the personal reaction between these two men. what was it like and how did it

but after the assassination attempt on pope john paul ii in 1981, everything changed. dreas member of the swiss guard which protect the pope. the immediate reaction was to close, they put the armored vehicle, and the pope mobile and everything. >> pope john paul didn't care for the name pope mobile. he thought it un dignified. but soon, where ever the pope went, he would find a pope mobile. and popes have often taken the security measures. pope francis has called the pope mobile a glass sardine can. >> security for the pope needs to optimize his security, while not hindering his ministry. if you don't let the pope do his ministry, he is not the pope any more. >> so the pope mobile francis will use on this trip is much like the one he used in he can quid or earlier this year, specially built jeep wrangler, open and un armored. and that might keep security officials up at night, but not the pope. he told an interviewer, it is true that anything could happen, but he added, let's face it, at my age, i don't have much to lose. bill plant, cbs news, washington. >> such a sens

after the death of john paul ii in 2005, a surprising candidate emerged to replace him, cardinal jorgejor jorge bergoglia. >> over the last 2,000 years, more than 265 men have covered the role and coveted the power of the papacy. but as for cardinal jorge bergoglio, he desperately did not want it. so when german cardinal joseph ratzinger was elected pope, friends say no one was more relieved than cardinal jorge bergoglio. >> he avoided coming to rome as much as possible. i think what he disliked in the vatican was what he saw as a certain kind of pomposity. a certain kind of traditionalism. >> with pope benedict xvi installed in the papal apartment, bergoglio was free to go home. this is buenos aires, the capital of argentina. a place known for steak, soccer, the tango. this is the place that would shape the man who would become pope francis. the bergoglio family lived here. the flores neighborhood which looked very different then. >> jorge bergoglio is a lower middle class kid in a lower middle class area of buenos aires. >> austen ivereigh is author of "the great reformer: francis an

we have worked hard to make sure that visit to pope john paul ii and president clinton at the time wassit to poland, immediately after he was elected pope, when he said, be not afraid when poland was under communist domination. but this takes the cake, isaac. >> all right. we're going to break away for a moment. pope francis making his way to philadelphia international airport. he's running early. these are very important last few moments of his trip here to the united states and we have it here on fox. stay close. at mfs investment management, we believe active management can protect capital long term. active management can tap global insights. active management can take calculated risks. active management can seek to outperform. because active investment management isn't reactive. it's active. that's the power of active management. it's a calling. a love affair. a quest. the next horizon. everyone loves the chase. when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t