in 1979, pope john paul ii said here ami in 1979, pope john paul ii said here amlon my in 1979, pope the visit of ireland, but because of health and safety and all of that there has been masses of coverage about the distances people how to walk, about ticketing for events and so on, and that has kept a lot of people away, particularly those with mobility issues. so we're not comparing like with like but in terms of what you asked me, the reception for pope francis has been tremendous. his ability to empathise and connect with people, even if you spend 30 seconds with him looking at him face—to—face, there was a great sense of warmth from him personally. many people experience that last night, as well, at the world meeting of families festival. why has knock being added to the schedule? the archbishop of the diocese of tuam is very persuasive. and francis did not need much persuading because of his personal devotion to our lady. and popes do honour national basilicas and shrines if they can. we have two in ireland, a place of pilgrimage in ireland, in the north—west, lough deargh. perh

let's compare john paul ii with francis. john paul ii grew up. under communism. he knew what that kind of system would do. and he wrote some of the greatest support. i think he's very colored. i think when he hears the word capitalism he thinks urgent here capitalism. it's not the competitive kind of capitalism that most of us think of. i think it's called the pictured -- picture of society. they draw on that team that team in great detail showing exactly pope francis he just used it different than the economists who are writing it. we are in agreement to him. the crony capitalism is not good task. it dropped argentina from the proper ranks of the society now. is that what we want at all. the pope has talked quite a bit from in quinn -- income inequality. what is your view. income inequality i think we all are agreed that poverty is something that is there. they are living on a dollar a day is a bad thing. and capitalism is a great track record for eliminating that kind of absolute poverty. poverty could be a good thing. "of this harder to pin down what the optim

the pope will plant and irish oak tree post to the oak tree planted by john paul ii in 1979. then the pope will make his way to dublin castle where i am speaking to you from he will be the irish prime minister, the taoiseach, leo varadkar. and he will deliver a speech. that is one of the key parts of this visit to look out for. what will he said on the subject of the abuse of children? will he set out any concrete measures to deal with those who abuse or those who cover up abuse? that is what many are looking for. the eyes of the world are on ireland this weekend for what the pope might say on that subject in the wake of further revelations around the world on abuse, including, most recently, that grand jury including, most recently, that grand jury report in pennsylvania which

john paul ii was the first pope to visit the country which, at the time, was often described as the mostholic in the world. tomorrow, pope francis will arrive on a transformed ireland. the church's influence is much diminished and its reputation badly damaged. people who were abused in children's homes run by religous orders are preparing to protest. they want the pope to say sorry on behalf of the church and go further. we're asking him to apologise and, not only that, to fork up and do what's right.

john paul ii was the first pope to visit the country, which at the time was often described as the most catholic in the world. tomorrow, pope francis will arrive on a transformed ireland. the church's influence is much diminished, and its reputation badly damaged. people who were abused in children's homes run by religious orders are preparing to protest. they want the pope to say sorry and a half of the church and go further. we're asking him to apologise, and not only that, to fork up and do what's right, out of the money that they have. it's not all about money, i know that. but that's the only form ofjustice that people are going to get, especially elderly people whose lives have been ruined. the revelations aren't over yet, especially in northern ireland.

he arrived late in knock, john paul ii, in 1979. he was not able to travel around in the chorales.ointed at that. the pope has travelled in a closed car cavalcade from the airport, to the outskirts of the shrine estate itself. he is getting into the popemobile. any people coming to see the pope, they want to see him in a popemobile, don't they? he is going to travel around a short route around the estate of the shrine. approximatelyjust over one kilometre in length. giving people a better chance to see him. i hope you can hear us all over the sounds in the background, where there are performances on the stage here in dublin for those beginning to gather for the mass here later. this is the knock shrine. and on the right of the picture is the basilica, one of the picture is the basilica, one of the largest churches in ireland. standing rule 15,000 people, and recently renovated. a fantastic rebuilding and refurbishment. it is beautiful, there is a major tapestry in there commemorating the apparition. the popemobile is making its way around. 39 years ago, pope john paul ii was in gal

a different atmosphere from 1979, and the adulation that greeted john paul ii. of that to you. right now, back to the studio. thank you very much. now on bbc news, it's time for the travel show. mauritius, a force of nature in the middle of the indian ocean. mauritius is marking the 50th year of independence from british colonial rule, but the intriguing, rich and sometimes dark story of this island nation goes back way before then. 0n myjourney, i'm going to explore the history of mauritius. see and taste how multiculturalism works here. mmmm, that is nice. this island is so often labelled as just a luxury beach paradise, but the reality is so much more fascinating than that. mauritius, gorgeous beaches, turquoise waters and lush vegetation, but the human story is just as awe—inspiring. le morne mountain, on the south—west of the island, faces in the direction of madagascar and stands 555 metres high. it's also at a a5—degree incline. no walk in the park. for the likes of me, this is a challenging climb, i've got to say. in fact, i'd say for anybody it's challe

to go beyond whatever mental threshold the soviet leadership had. >> at the vatican today, pope john paul iied concern for the worsening situation in his native poland. pope john paul told some 200 polish pilgrims he knew were in the crowd that they and all fellow poles should pray for peace. >> the cold war became as cold as it had ever been before. it got so cold, it was capable of becoming hot. >> there had been rumors, today confirmation. deaths and injuries among enforcers and resisters to the military rule imposed since sunday. >>> tragic events now occurring >>> tragic events now occurring in poland almost two years to the day after the soviet invasion of afghanistan have been precipitated by secret pressure from the soviet union. action to suspend economic relationships with the polish government. >> the first crisis in poland provides a vehicle for reagan to begin to think maybe the communist system in eastern europe is not as stable as people imagined. >> this is the pershing missile, a new version of it will be soon deployed in europe. this is the cruise missile, also to join nato

nella mike when john paul ii clerical sexual abuse. i went to their catholic school, attended a youth group in a convent. the church was everywhere in my life, and that was a good thing. but within a year and a half of that visit, i was raped by a catholic priest, who had been ordained for months beforejohn priest, who had been ordained for months before john paul priest, who had been ordained for months beforejohn paul ii‘s visit, even though the church knew he was abusing people before that visit. i rememberjohn paul ii saying asela gunaratne is a crowd of 300,000 young people, young people of ireland, —— john paul young people, young people of ireland, ——john paul ii saying, as he looked out across a crowd of 300 young people, young people of ireland, i love you. it is pretty heartbreaking. given all that has come to light over that period, and the fact that you are sadly one of very many people who have had similar experiences, what is the response you will have to do is visit and what are you planning as pope francis comes to dubl

when i sued john paul ii to get the truth of what he knew about the rape an abuse in ireland. i want the pope to tell the truth. he hasn't done that yet. i listened to john. he talked about paper am apologies. i haven't seen a single papal apology in years. i seen regret, sorrow, devastation at the pain and suffering of people like me. i seen condemnations of pedophile priests the appalling depravity of that abuse and the coverup. i have never seen a semple truth being stated. >> that is that the vatican at the most senior level including popes draengtd implemented a coverup of the abuse of hundreds of thousands of people across the world that this wasn't a failure of culture as we are hearing now, that they didn't understand or know or have in-depth knowledge, that it was a deliberate willful only in to check the institution, the power and money and it was codified into laws and norms. from that, from truth can flowkability, justice, change. we get nowhere if we don't have truth? i learned it from my parents and i learned it from the church. so the church needs to stand for tr

ireland, certainly of the changing ireland sincejohn paul certainly of the changing ireland since john paul iiaul ii came here a0 yea rs sincejohn paul ii came here a0 years ago, a man who was raised a catholic but is no longer a practising catholic. he is ireland's 93v practising catholic. he is ireland's gay prime minister, probably something that would have been unthinkable in recent times or until a few years ago, perhaps. and a man who has said he is deeply uncomfortable with the language that the church users to talk about lgbt people. and of course, lgbt people are among those who have been protesting, marking their objections to the way the church talks about lg bt to the way the church talks about lgbt people to the way the church talks about lg bt people during to the way the church talks about lgbt people during this visit, one ofa number of lgbt people during this visit, one of a number of protests that will be taking place, or rather, perhaps i should take demonstrations rather than protests, including from survivors of child sex abuse. there will also be acts of remembrance for t

back. 1980 was a year after the visit of popejohn paul 1980 was a year after the visit of pope john paul iiwas a year after the visit of popejohn paul ii and we are so grateful that his prayers for peace on our island where eventually a nswered on our island where eventually answered through the good friday agreement, a piece we promise to protect and nurture. today, i am privileged to welcome here today representatives of all of the communities in northern ireland and from britain and together we are guided by your works, make bridges not walls because wall's fall. we are georgia today by people from all walks of life in ireland, members of government and parliament, front—line public servants, prisoners, those born here, those have chosen to come here. men and women, young and old, children, catholics, members of other faiths and members of no faith. it is our duty to nurture this planet. and look after its people. your holiness, we thank you for your care for the earth. emphasising the urgent need to tackle climate change and reminding us of our responsibilities. we thank you for the emp

. >> it's interesting, because it was 1979 when pope john paul ii made the last trip there.nd at that point, divorce, homosexual acts, and abortion were all illegal. help me understand the atmosphere in which this pope is entering in ireland there. >> reporter: well, i mean, ireland, as you say, is a vastly different country than the one that welcomed john paul ii in 1979. you have seen a fairly rapid process of secularization here. mass attendance rates are down for the catholic church. vocations to the catholic priesthood are down. nevertheless, the church does remain an enormously important social institution here. and you know, i mean, pope francis will draw warm and enthusiastic crowds. tonight in the park he will celebrate a festival of families. you'll see some real enthusiasm there. tomorrow in dublin's phoenix park he will celebrate an open-air mass that is estimated to draw probably around 500,000 people. but that said, clearly, the elephant in the room on this trip are those sexual abuse scandals. and of course, that would be true under any set of circumstances. i

. >> when pope john paul ii last visited ireland in 1979, 2.5 million catholics turned out. is expected to greet pope francis this weekend. >> it will be a different tone. >> one group of protestors is sending their own message getting hundreds of tickets to one event with no intention of showing up. it unfolds in the shadow of another round of abuse allegations and cover ups. most prominently from the explosive pennsylvania grand jury report. the cardinal calls it a catalog of horrors. >> one section describes a group of priests that marked their victims with crucifixes to identify the ones that were easier targets. are you worried that something like this could surface where you are? >> i think that if such a ring existed we have the measures by which we could detect it. >> sister liz murphy, an irish nun says the entire church needs reform. >> this is a very male, masculine, institutional top down dictatorial body. who wouldn't want, as a woman to see that collapse. >> those words from a nun were once unthinkable. >> how does the pope survive this moment? >> this is a vir

john paul this area. father eamon, you remember popejohn paul ii's visit to ireland in 1979, you were a boy scout as you werer, and you are helping out, assisting with the visit to the knock shrine where pope francis went this morning. how does this compare? the weather hasn't changed! i understand that this one will be smaller, but that is not due to lack of interest. there was a huge deal made about health and safety, about having tickets and so on, and there seems to be a lot of confusion, u nfortu nately, seems to be a lot of confusion, unfortunately, maybe inevitably with this kind of an organisation. but certainly those people who have turned out, coming a long distance, having to walk quite a distance to get in here, it really is quite a pilgrimage really, and it is wonderful to see people making that effort. father eamon conway, thank you very much. looking on over the big crowds as we wait on the pope to begin the maths here, still quite a while, i imagine, to work his way through the crowds. he wants to give as many people as possible who have made the effort to be here the opportunity to see him.

in 1979, when john paul ii attend mass. —— ireland. n paul ii came to ireland, 90% of catholics attended weekly mass. contraception, abortion and divorce were against the war here. now that figure is a0% and it is a very different ireland that will greet pope francis. i think in the past deep catholic church had too much of a dominant place in iris society. i think it still has a place in iris society but not one that determines public policy. —— irish society. all determines our laws. many are using the pope's visit to raise awareness of the catholic church's sexual abuse scandal. this art is the ledge and detailing the suffering of victims. these projections on dublin's general post office doing the same, alongside the hashtag #standatruth. a series of enquiries you over a number of years exposed widespread sexual abuse by priests in various areas of ireland. pope francis is expected to meet with victims in private during his two—day trip but with ongoing scandals exposed in several countries worldwide, many believe the catholic churc

pope john paul ii celebrated mass here almost a0 yea rs ii celebrated mass here almost a0 years ago,nd pope francis following in his footsteps as well when he visited the shrine of knock earlier today. and worth, i think, repeating how remarkable the opening of this mass was, father eamon. quite extraordinary, it has set the tone for what will now follow in his own words, his words of homily, his words of encouragement to the rebuilding of the irish church, and indeed the world church. translation: at the end of this world meeting of families, we gather asa family world meeting of families, we gather as a family around the table of the lord. we thank god for the many blessings we have received in our families. and we want to commit ourselves to living fully avocation to be in the touching words of saint theresa of the holy child, loving the heart of the church. in this precious moment of communion with one another and with the lord, it is good to pause and consider the source of all good things we have received. jesus reveals the origin of these blessings in today's gospel. when he s

1979, and pope john paul ii was greeted by the largest gathering of irish people in history. back then, almost 90% of catholics attended weekly mass. contraception, abortion, and divorce were against the law. now all three are legal, and church attendance is down to 40%. marty's story may explain why. she was abused by a hospital chaplain as a child. >> what has happened here basically is that the church has thrown over a cliff its moral authority completely, destroyed. we still have quite a high percentage of catholics in ireland, and many of them are hanging on by the fingernails. martin: are you glad that the church is having less of a dominant effect? >> the short answer is yes. i think in the past the catholic church had too much of a dominant place in irish society. i think it still has a place in irish society, but not one that determines public policy or determines our laws. martin: judging by the parade in the exhibition hall, the catholic church is pinning its hopes on the popularity of pope francis. he remains the star attraction. but unless it can convince the wor

when john paul ii came here, i was 13 years of age, i had been an altar boy, sang at mass every sundayywhere in my life, and that was a good thing. within a year of that visit, i had been raped by a catholic priest who had been ordained four months before the visit despite the fact that the catholic church knew that he was sexually abusing children before they ordained him. when i look back at that visit, and i remember in particularjohn paul ii saying as he looked across the crowd of 300,000 young people, young people of ireland, i love you, i think that 13—year—old me who was joyful when i heard that. and then i think about the two decades or so to come that was blighted by the crimes of one of the priests, and more importantly by the priests, and more importantly by the cover—ups of these institutions. it is pretty heartbreaking. given all that has come to light over that period, and the fact that you are sadly one of very many people who have had similar experiences, what are you planning as pope francis comes to dublin? will first, it is important to separate out the elements of t

it was iri979, marking the last time the pope was in ireland, john paul ii was that there is the claimas the papal flag and the was that there is the claim. it has the papalflag and the irish was that there is the claim. it has the papal flag and the irish trickle oi’ the papal flag and the irish trickle orflag, flying from the papal flag and the irish trickle or flag, flying from the cockpit, as is the tradition on occasions like this. let's ta ke let's take a look at knock, that's where the pope visited earlier today, a holy shrine visited by 1,000,000 anda today, a holy shrine visited by 1,000,000 and a half pilgrims, each year. he delivered a short speech to the many thousands of people who turned out to see him there. in that speech, he prayed for god's forgiveness, for what he called the open wounds of abuse. and he also talked about taking decisive action, to secure the pursuit of truth and justice. translation: this open wound challenges us to be firm and decisive in the pursuit of truth and justice. applause. translation: i beg the lord's forgiveness for these sins, and for th

hanging over his visits, and jonathan vigliotti is there. ( applause ) >> reporter: when pope john paul iit visited ireland back in 1979, 2.5 million catholics turned out. only a fraction of that crowd is expected to greet pope francis this weekend. >> it will be a different tone. i don't think everyone will be amping for joy. >> reporter: one group of protesters is sending their own message, allegedly getting hundreds of tickets to one event with no intention of showing up. p.e pope's visit unfolds in the shadow of yet another round of abuse allegations and cover-ups, most prominently from the explosive pennsylvania grand jury report. cardinal blaze cupich, who arrived here from chicago,o, cas it a catalog of horrors. one section describes a group of zeiests who mark their victims with crucifixes to identify the ones that are easier targets. are you worried something like this could surface where you are? >> i think that if such a ring existed, we have the measures by which we could detect it. >> reporter: cardinal wuerl from >> sister liz murphy, an irish nun, says the entire church need

crowds for the pope's visit expected to be one-third the size that greeted john paul ii who was the last pope to visit ireland back in 1979. in the meantime, in the wake of that report on clergy abuse, authorities in missouri and the latest to launch investigations in their states into how the church has handled abuse cases. >>> it's time for a look at your weather for this friday morning. >>> good morning. we continue to watch hurricane lane as it makes its progress off to the west of the hawaiian islands. it will be pressing farther off to the west as we head on into sunday. in the meantime, though, expecting a gradual weakening as we get a little bit of wind shear to come in from the west. still expecting a flooding rain concern. heavy downpours, one to three feet of rain in some spots and rough surf. i'm meteorologist julia weiden with your accuweather forecast. >>> well, this morning we're celebrating the song "sweet home alabama." we'll explain why next. >>> also ahead, a young woman from georgia caught leaking classified government secrets, she learns her punishment. how she pulle

john paul ii.ing the church has been through, it must be very important that the pope has decided to come back here. i think so. i think the people of ireland welcome him here. i think people of northern ireland would have liked for him to be there to. he engaged —— he encourage eve ryo ne to. he engaged —— he encourage everyone to engage further with the reconciliation process. it is important for ordinary everyday families across the world. it is important because families in their different manifestations experienced so different manifestations experienced so many difficult situations. coming together, they learned they are not alone. they learned that there are those there to support them and they feel that their family is part of the biggerfamily feel that their family is part of the bigger family of the church. and there is certainly an affirmation of faith if you look across phoenix park today. all these people gathering in the wind and the rain. everyone here from the families here today, t

visit to ireland by pope francis, the first visit by a pope to the country since 1979 back when john paul iie. hundreds of thousands of catholics are going to be welcoming the pope over the course of the two days particularly in events at croke park later today, normally the scene of major sporting events and concerts and in phoenix park in the city tomorrow and of course this visit although the main reason for it is attendance at this world meeting of families which is organised by the catholic church every three years, undoubtedly it is being dominated by what he has already said and what he's going to saying about the abuse of children by priests, the cover—ups of that abuse and other scandals that have set the catholic church in the decades sincejohn paul ii was here. we will have much more on all of that for you and an appraisal of what pope francis has said so far in a few moments. first this report from emma va rdy. descending on dublin this morning, shepherd one, the papal plane. this is ireland's first visit from the pope in four decades. and welcoming the head of the catholic churc

i was thinking about it, the same numbers are not coming out that they did for pope john paul ii, butavel to rome or go and see the pope there if they want to. in 1979, very few people got on aeroplanes and went to rome, so it is a very different world we live in. i think the church is a smaller church in ireland. i think that is good, because i think people were corralled into church. i think the importance of churches, if it is about a relationship with jesus and the heart ofjesus in the community, we can see hundreds and thousands of people in ireland who still want to be part of that church in which the heart ofjesus be part of that church in which the heart of jesus beats. and they the italian tenor singing now. —— andrea bocelli, the italian tenor. your thoughts on what we just heard, about how we see in this visit the changing relationship? yes, the point you made there, about the church being where there were about the relationship withjesus, there will be a lot more people here today if that church allowed people who wa nt to if that church allowed people who want to be close

different ireland that we have now over the course of this visit compared to what we saw back when john paul ii the response of the people to pope francisco stein to do with the reaction to the sexual abuse scandal, that treatment of women, unmarried mothers and are there other factors in play there, of women, unmarried mothers and are there otherfactors in play there, a more materialistic society for example? —— the response of the people to pope francis. but on the stage and in irish society, irish society and families were more judgemental and oppressive. and to some extent they'd dumbed their problems on the church, and it is dealing with the feelings of irish society in the 1930s, 1940s and 19505 society in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s and we now have aged changed ireland and the values in society have changed. we also have a much more prosperous and you might say materialistic society where everything isjudged in terms of financial outcomes and that has squeezed out the space for people to think about the next life, to think about more spiritual issues. i think materialism as well as the le

significant crowds out to greet him, but it should reflect nowhere near the numbers that awaited john paul iihen he came here almost a0 years ago. perhaps a small reflection of changing attitudes, slightly more mixed feelings towards the relationship between the people and the church. but this evening, we are expecting to see crowds of around 70,000 upwards of 80,000 perhaps, listening to the pope at a festival of families here in dublin. before we look more closely at that, let's hear from we look more closely at that, let's hearfrom our ireland correspondent, emma vardy. descending on dublin this morning, shepherd one, the papal plane. this is ireland's first visit from the pope in four decades. and welcoming the head of the catholic church has been a much anticipated moment. ireland was once known as the most catholic country in the world. but rocked by scandals, the church has fallen from grace. in dublin, pope francis spoke of the sexual abuse of children by catholic priests and the failure of the church to address it. translation: the failure of ecclesiastical authorities, bishops, reli

. >> reporter: when pope john paul ii last visited ireland in 1979, 2 1/2 million catholics turned out. only a fraction of that crowd is expected to greet pope francis this weekend. >> it will be a different tone. i don't think everyone will be jumping for joy. >> reporter: one group of protesters is sending their own message allegedly getting hundreds of tickets to one event with no intention of showing up. the pope's visit unfolds in the shadow of yet another round of abuse allegations and cover ups. most prominently from the explosive pennsylvania grand jury report. cardinal who arrived here from chicago calls it a catalog of horrors. >> one sectioncrro pri who mar victims with crucifixes to identify the ones that were easier targets. are you worried that something like this could surface where you are? >> i think that if such a ring existed, we have the measures by which we could detect it. >> reporter: cardinal wuerl from washington and cardinal o'malley from boston canceled their trips to washington from those they suspect to be troubled priests. she said the entire church needs

budget season and everything was in trillions and we wrote this speech about pope john paul at the dedication of the john paul ii center in washington. there were multiple drafts and the staffing process and it wasn't caught until surprisingly, late in the game when somebody said, do you need -- do you mean 1 billion. that never made it into the speech. that's where quality control came in before the president was involved. >> i was very paranoid about making a mistake. you triple check everything and have every -- everybody check things and harassment policy people to check things and never wanting to send out something incorrect or off by a zero or anything like that. it was very nerve-racking. i'm going to get fired if i get this wrong. i can -- this is self-serving -- but i can't think of a major mistake. maybe there was. i do have a good story. this is my naoveti because i was young and really new to washington ways and ranks and titles. there's all of these titles and a deputy outranks and assistance, and all of this stuff. i was on the plane coming back from england with hillary and she was getting a lift

john paul. it was about his whole life. it was at the dedication of john paul ii cultural center here in washington. and the speech went through. the speechwriter wrote multiple drafts with the staffers. and somewhere late in the game said, do you mean billions? but that was one of the quality control processes that came in to correct things before the president was involved. >> i was super paranoid about making a mistake. so it was almost ocd. just triple-checking everything and having other people check it, and harassing the policy people to check things. just never wanting to send out something incorrect or off by a zero or anything like that. so it was a very nerve-wracking part of the job, right? you just think, i'm going to get fired if i get something wrong. this is self-serving but i can't think of a major mistake. maybe there were and just never came back. but i do have a good story. this was about washington ranks and titles and there are all these titles and deputy outranks an assistant and all this stuff. so i was on the plane coming back from england

do it in purely statistical terms, in1979, if you do it in purely statistical terms, in 1979, john paul iiose will not show up because tickets have been bought by the nope to the pope campaign to stop people going. there isa campaign to stop people going. there is a real sense that the catholic church used to run the irish state and nothing could happen in that country without its say—so. but after a country without its say—so. but aftera numberof country without its say—so. but after a number of absolutely appalling and shameful child abuse scandals, the catholic church has lost its authority in ireland, and quite rightly in my view that is reflected in people not turning up. they are just disillusioned with the church that not only committed the abuse, but then to make it much worse, covered it up. that is the real shock for people. and sent people to another place and then carried on. there is a poster here saying get your rosaries off my ovaries. again women want to feel that they should be able to do what they want with their bodies and of course that is against the catholic religion.

. >> it goes to the fact when it was pope john paul ii and benedict, the press didn't like those guysuse pope francis is a theologist who believe left wing things and redistribution of income and illegal immigration they will protect him. it's asking the pope to enforce what seems to be basic catholic doctrines. >> martha: one of the things, pope francis that whom am i to judge when it comes to gay priest. he was lauded for that for opening up the understanding of that. one thing we have to be clear on, to be gay is not to be a pedophile. we're talking about fed file -- pedophile here. everybody here ought to be able to get on same side that everybody is against criminal behavior and pedophilia. >> when you're treating the pedophilia of children and mistreatment of children as a political football i would suggest you're the evil one. >> martha: thank you very much ben. good to see you tonight. great piece today. coming up while the president and media and everyone else was talking about bruce ohr today. there was another player in this story that largely went unnoticed. questions that

it is a different trip from pope john paul ii saw.ogized for abuses from the catholic church and cover-up. he met with survivors and met with mothers and babies from the mother and baby home. it is likely more will have to be forthcoming from the pope and vatican on this issue. >> more for the cothcoming inde. thank you. >>> what we all need this morning. a little bit of joy. little league world series. team from hawaii with a lot to celebrate. we'll show you next. at&t provides edge-to-edge intelligence, covering virtually every part of your healthcare business. so that if she has a heart problem & the staff needs to know, they will & they'll drop everything can you take a look at her vitals? & share the data with other specialists yeah, i'm looking at them now. & they'll drop everything hey. & take care of this baby yeah, that procedure seems right. & that one too. at&t provides edge to edge intelligence. it can do so much for your business, the list goes on and on. that's the power of &. & when your patient's tests come back... whe

john paul ii pope never did that.pope did that when faced with the allegations of cardinal mccarrick. the question is, when did he know? and who told him? and all of those particulars have yet to come out. i don't think the pope is going to speak about those until there are more details that he would know about it. >> last question quickly, what does it say about divisions within the catholic church? >> it is really fierce right now, brooke. there is this right wing segment of the church that is trying to blame all this on a gay lobby or a gay conspiracy in the church. this archbishop, vigano, has been utterly anti-gay in all that he has written. you will note that the 11-page letter doesn't talk much about the victims of sexual abuse. it talks about those who enabled the gay lobby and he names those who he thinks are sympathetic to the gay lobby. this is an issue of right versus left, those who want to bring fansis down and those who believe he is making great strides in many areas for the church. i think we are goin

john paul ii was the first pope to visit the country which, at the time, was often described as the mostow, pope francis will arrive on a transformed ireland. the church's influence is much diminished and its reputation badly damaged. people who were abused in children's homes run by religous orders are preparing to protest. they want the pope to say sorry on behalf of the church and go further. we're asking him to apologise and, not only that, to fork up and do what's right. out of the faults and the money that they have, it's not all about money, i know that, but that's the only form of justice that people are going to get, especially our elderly people, whose lives have been ruined. the revelations aren't over yet, especially in northern ireland. stormont has commissioned research on church institutions for unmarried mothers to help decide if there'll be a public enquiry. particularly for a lot of women in northern ireland, their voices have not been heard. we do not know about their stories. and those stories are ones that we will hopefully be able to hear, be able to uncover, be abl

although hundreds of thousands will be much lower than the huge crowds, million plus that came to see john paul ii what it means is that the pope doesn't deal with the issue, the erosion of faith in the church will only continue here in ireland. >> all right, phil black in dublin for us. thank you so much. and of course, we are really focused on john mccain and his family today. this man, victorious, comical, he ran the gamut, senator john mccain. what a legacy he is leaving and we're thinking of his family today. >> we want to leave you with a look at memorable movements from the maverick. >> to lead health and human services department. >> comment on mr. trump's comments, i have not and will not. >> why not, he's the president-elect and you're a senior member? >> because that's my choice. >> i can't trust obama. he's an arab. he's not -- no, ma'am, no ma'am. he's a decent family man citizen that i just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that's what this campaign is all about. he's not. thank you. >> i'm very pleased and very privileged to introduce to you sarah palin of

john paul ii talked about it. benedict talked about it.appening as legality, as part of the law of the church. i've heard, fred, some say, well, it's probably to deflect from all the abuse stuff that's back in the news again. i'm not sure if politically that is a reason or not, but certainly it's a great opportunity to focus on where the church is supposed to be and the mission it's supposed to be about and pope francis has used that opportunity. >> and he's a pope that pays attention to politics. meantime, 53% of catholics in the u.s. support the death penalty. there's also the roman catholic governor of nebraska who has worked significantly on imposing the death penalty in his state. in fact, nebraska is scheduled to execute a prisoner in just nine days. it would be the state's first execution in 21 years. the governor has acknowledged the pope's perspective but is proceeding with the execution. so is there a way in which to kind of explain this conflict? >> fred, i have to tell you this really bothers me. i mean, the governor, a catholi

especially compared to the last papal visit, john paul ii who was treated as a rock star. the image of the church has suffered so much because of the sexual abuse scandals revealed over so many decades now, the sense that the church hasn't come to grips with that problem. the pope did address these issues when he was first welcomed at dublin castle by the irish prime minister. he spoke about the suffering at the hands of clergy. he spoke about the church's failures and righteous anger and outrage of the irish people. take a little more listen to his comments on this issue earlier today. >> translator: the failure of the ecclesiastical authorities, the priests to adequately address these appalling crimes has given rise to our rage and remains a source of pain and shame for the catholic community. i myself share those sentiments. >> reporter: so he's addressed the issue, but you have to say in a very limited way, and it was buried a long way down into his opening speech here. the initial feedback from victims of sexual abuse by the clergy in this country is we've heard this

pope john paul ii and benedict xvi. pope francis has long been a foe of the death penalty.e's now made its inadmissibility a teaching of the catholic church. that's what's significant today. >> thank you all so much. >>> coming up, call to action. a democratic member of homeland security and house judiciary now pushing to protect the mueller probe, that's next. capital one and hotels.com are giving venture cardholders 10 miles on every dollar they spend at thousands of hotels. brrrr! i have the chills. because of all those miles? and because ice... is cold. what's in your wallet? with pg&e in the sierras. and i'm an arborist and because ice... is cold. since the onset of the drought, more than 129 million trees have died in california. pg&e prunes and removes over a million trees every year to ensure that hazardous trees can't impact power lines. and since the onset of the drought we've doubled our efforts. i grew up in the forests out in this area and honestly it's heartbreaking to see all these trees dying. what guides me is ensuring that the public is going to be safer a

john paul ii was the first pope to visit the country which, at the time, was often described as the mostd. the church's influence is much diminished and its reputation badly damaged. people who were abused in children's homes run by religous orders are preparing to protest. they want the pope to say sorry on behalf of the church and go further. we're asking him to apologise and, not only that, to fork up and do what's right. out of the faults and the money that they have, it's not all about money, i know that, but that's the only form of justice that people are going to get, especially our elderly people, whose lives have been ruined. the revelations aren't over yet, especially in northern ireland. stormont has commissioned research on church institutions for unmarried mothers to help decide if there'll be a public enquiry. particularly for a lot of women in northern ireland, their voices have not been heard. we do not know about their stories. and those stories are ones that we will hopefully be able to hear, be able to uncover, be able to understand more in a new era, as the church doe

john paul ii is to say be not afraid. didn't say have courage. trump operates a lot like that. i have no idea what's going to happen in singapore but i think it's possible that they love a very successful meeting. i think it's also possible that morning about at this time they will walk out. that's a range of options. we did a movie that was mentioned earlier shots at the ranch about the life of from oregon. we went to iceland and it was his little house where reagan and her child met in 1987. it's this great scene we had in the movie straight out of the news real where reagan was holding out for missile defense. gorbachev was at him on everything. we can have arms limitations and we can have this treaty or that treaty but you have to give up your missile tests. reagan kept saying no, not doing it. gorbachev said that we are not going to give you anything. reagan said well, then that's fine. we are not doing that. they walk outside and there's racing where reagan who was not normally this aggressive is literally in gorbachev's face and saying you did this. you made a mistake. y

john paul ii the captive people of east germany with their own hands took down the berlin wall.take driven through his heart. but it's like those zombies and those horror movies. it's coming back. and these people don't know. ocasio-cortez, bernie sanders don't know that lenin and marx said socialism is just the way point on the way to communism. communism is the objective of socialism is what he said. the stunning thing is margaret thatcher was right. socialism is great until you if you run of everybody else's money. just like you see in venezuela. >> sean: we are running out of other peoples money. i use the same quote often. dan bongino, it's kind of shocking. there's a pretty big percentage of the electorate that i don't think really understands the difference. >> they don't. i'm reminded of that scene from billy madison. and we are all dumber for having seen that, sean. socialism is not free stuff. socialism is death. it's despair, it's starvation. it is the government controlled the means of production. europe and denmark and scandinavia and nordic countries are not social

john paul ii was the first pope to visit the country which, at the time, was often described as the most transformed ireland. the church's influence is much diminished and its reputation badly damaged. people who were abused in children's homes run by religous orders are preparing to protest. they want the pope to say sorry on behalf of the church and go further. we're asking him to apologise and, not only that, to fork up and do what's right. out of the faults and the money that they have, it's not all about money, i know that, but that's the only form of justice that people are going to get, especially our elderly people, whose lives have been ruined. the revelations aren't over yet, especially in northern ireland. stormont has commissioned research on church institutions for unmarried mothers to help decide if there'll be a public enquiry. particularly for a lot of women in northern ireland, their voices have not been heard. we do not know about their stories. and those stories are ones that we will hopefully be able to hear, be able to uncover, be able to understand more in a new era

the time of the last pa pal visit church has faced since the time of the last papal visit from john paul ii years ago, given that survivors of abuse are still suffering and still dealing with that, how important was it that we had pope francis come here nearly four decades on in terms of encouraging the faithful. because ireland is predominantly a catholic country and still a country of great faith. it is perhaps a source of surprise, these last few hours really, how he has turned it around. his profound prayer at the start of the mass i think it cannot be business as usual and we all come away from it with a new sense of our own responsibility to build up the church and people of god, particularly in families but also those in leadership of the irish church. very good to have your thoughts now and indeed thank you very much forjoining us throughout the day as well here in dublin. elsewhere in the city, in the garden of remembrance, there has been a gathering today, a gathering of survivors of abuse, they are supporters. not the sort of thing we would see back in 1979 whenjohn paul ii came

. >> when pope john paul ii went to ireland he had a crowd.ch, it is damage control time. when reports came out about sexual and physical abuse of children everybody seemed to know somebody who was affected. david wright told me the pope has offered apology, but for many, it is too little too late. >> ireland is an angry country. many people are not even baptizing their children. priests are dying off faster than they can replace them there. so priests are having to do double duty, running from parish to parish, to face dwindling populations of parishioners. there will be lots of protests. it is a serious test of the pope's charm. >> you can hear more about the pope's visit on "start here" later this morning. check it out on apple podcast or your favorite podcasting app. >> our thanks to brad there. >>> a new study has found the safest amount of alcohol to drink is -- none? the massive worldwide research looked at data back to 1990 related to 23 health problems, drinking alcohol adversely affected all of them. it did find moderate health benef

john paul. it was about his whole life. it was at the dedication of the john paul ii cultural center here in washington. the speech went through. speech writer, multiple drafts, the staffing process. and it wasn't caught until, surprisingly late in the game when somebody said, do you mean billion? but that never -- that was -- that was where the quality control process came in to correct things before the president was involved. >> yeah. i was super paranoid about making a mistake. it was almost ocd, just triple checking everything, and having other people check it and harassing the policy people to check things. you know, just never wanting to send out something incorrect or off buy a zero or anything like that. so it was a very, very nerve-racking part of job. right? you thought i'm going to get fired if i get something wrong. you know? this is self serving, but i can't think of like a major mistake. maybe there were and just never filtered back. but i do have a good story. no, i have a good story. and this is my naivety because i was young and really new to washington ways and ranks and titles. there