the author of numerous books including the very best man, robert kennedy, sea of thunder, and john paul jones. now let's hear from nathaniel philbrick and evan thomas. thank you for joining us today. >> at national archives, we are delighted to be here, lots to talk about. we are veterans of the national archives and a lot of you are history buffs, so glad to have you. this is a departure for you. you've written all these books but haven't gotten your car with your wife. tell us about your thought processes, how you got into that, how you went down this road and the cherry it. >> that is where it began. so great to hang out with you for this hour, to see you in the midst of the aftermath of covid. it all began for me during a research trip for my last book about the american revolution, in the hurricane's i, about the year of yorktown. there was a research trip to providence, rhode island, and made my way to the john brown house. this isn't john brown the abolitionist. this is john brown the opposite, slave trade around cofounder of brown university. in the back of his magisterial home is a l