better world one built on on life and peace rather than death and war here's my conversation with john perkins john thanks for joining me right pleasure to be with you i just want to sort of i say it's a real thrill for me because your books were very significant in waking me up getting me outside the story of the corporate media that they that they feed and you hear that a fair amount from people and i love hearing that it's what their rights are going to hear that for you because you do great shows and have some wonderful people in the group to be with you thanks so much i want i want to start with the oil and gas companies that are basically as big as ever you were friends with leaders in countries that tried to stand up to them nationalize the oil their black gold in their various countries and some of those leaders were likely assassinated that was the one nine hundred eighty s. do you feel these massive oil and gas multinationals still kind of have the world by the balls. they do and it's maybe a little less important now because wall street play such a huge role now back in my day the world

world one built on on life and peace rather than death and war here's my conversation with john perkins for john thanks for joining me. my pleasure to be with you i just want to sort of i say it's a real thrill for me because your books were very significant in waking me up getting me outside the story of the corporate media that they have that they feed and you hear that a fair amount from people i love hearing that it's what he writes are glad to hear that from you because you do great shows and have some wonderful people and it's a privilege to be with you thanks so much i want i want to start with the oil and gas companies that are basically as big as ever you were friends with leaders in countries that tried to stand up to them nationalize the oil their black gold in their various countries and some of those leaders were likely assassinated that was the one nine hundred eighty s. do you feel these massive oil and gas multinationals still kind of have the world by the balls. they do and it's maybe a little less important now because wall street in place they set a huge role now back in my da

were doing and of course, mark elias, who is one of the partners at the perkins law firm, was sitting with john podesta when johnodesta was asked about these payments. and he claimed not to know anything about fusion. so mark elias is in the room when that is being asked. obviously he is is a lawyer in the room but there is more questions about the democrats and about the democrat's intentions. liz: that is not just any lawyer. mark elias worked for the dnc as a counsel. he worked for the hillary campaign as a lawyer. he worked for john kerry and al franken. he is known in democrat circles, right. >> he is well, highly regarded across all party platforms and been used by everyone. and so it's a little surprising he seems to be mixed up in this. we will learn in the coming days exactly what the perkins law firm was doing, and maybe not in the coming days. this may take congressional investigations, unless there seems to be any criminality. and if there is, then of course the department of justice or mueller could do it. liz: hang on a second. we don't know, again, we don't know whether this file was used to do su