john psarapoulos, what started this? why the breakdown on monday? >> i think that the problem centers around the fact that you've got a left-wing, radical left-wing government in athens, which wants to go fully frontally against the whole concept of austerity across the periphery of europe. it wants to raise the banner of involveernty and self-determination -- the banner of sovereignty and self-determination, in other words telling germany it can't tell other countries to do with their national budgets and with their economic and fiscal policies. i think that a lot of the acrimony that's been seen, not just on monday, but also in last weak's euro group, has centered around the political symbolism of that standoff, not so much the substance the fact that the greeks are being told by the germans they're running economic deficits and they're coming back to the germans and telling them that they are running democratic deficits. and both sides, of course russia saying that both these deficits are going to be detrimental to the future of europe. so the gr