. >> which is a fairly -- >> he's john rawles. >> yes. >> inequalities are justified if they lead to a general increase in wealth. so no one has a problem with lots of people getting very rich as long as this increases the wealth of everyone else. when it stops increasing the wealth of society as a whole, you have to ask questions about the nature of the system. >> but he didn't -- he didn't just mean wealth. he said the public welfare. and that meant that this pursuit of material wealth had to take a backseat in certain respects in a great -- if america was going to become a great country. and that's why he defended conservation. >> i wouldn't call it -- weird emperialism. i would say it's america that has an important place to play in the world is a more positive way of putting it. and conservatives have embraced that part of t.r. in that original part of progressive. i just want to add to that very quickly that there's plenty of room for evasiveness on both sides. two wars were initiated in the bush administration. and for the first time in our history, there was no attention to t

separation of church and state we were talking actually earlier in the green room about you know john rawls who's a political philosopher has this great phrase called the veil of ignorance you should make public policy you should make laws as if behind a veil of ignorance where you don't know what religion you are with gender you are the last to come out don't preference anybody they preference the average person or the typical person but the reason this is playing and it's you know it's playing for millions of voters according to polls i think speaks to the kind of resentments and the kind of frustrations that americans feel it really your average americans thinking that what's happened the last ten years in the last three years has taken the country away from them it's taken it away from them culturally economically socially and they're looking for someone who can speak to that sort of that that's that sort of resentment that sort of frustration that that something deeply americans i can't you know i think i see that as somebody taking the country away from me that in the world a presiden