john rawls i think it's safe to say, is not necessarily a conservative. anyway, so i thought that was very fascinating. >> if you don't know what your life is going to be why not everybody have exactly the same tax system that they're going to face rather than determine in advance what tax system you're going to face. >> so you spoke a little bit about a consumption base, how it's important to have a consumption base. and so for folks in the room who don't -- who maybe aren't as familiar with that, basically a consumption tax is a tax on income spent on consumption not income that's saved or invested. can you explain or go into a little bit of detail about having a consumption base is so important. >> basically the way i like to think about it is if you just use the very simple formula the gross domestic product equals consumption plus investment plus government services, which is small, forget that and net exports, if you net out investment, you're left with consumption. so what's investment? it's whatever you do that you invest to make your business act