john rizzo. jim [speaker not understood]. [speaker not understood] and lois miles. if you heard your name, please come forward. >>> this one? okay. it. good afternoon, i'm nancy wilson. i'm here to support the apprentice program. i was at the rec and park commission when this was approved and i was extremely impressed with the way it was proposed. it was clear the apprentices would be comprehensively trained. they would provide a supply of qualified men and women to the permanent workforce. and they would also provide extra help in the parks while also saving the city money as they were in that [inaudible]. with their, quote, glitches or something like that in the system. it really is disheartening to feel that there's good pr and people are hopeful, but not when there are games that are being played or anything that's less than completely straightforward in getting these people hired as city employees. so, i want to encourage you to be extremely careful that this is not just, you know, oh, everything's fine and dandy with the powerpoint. let's make sure that hr is

. >> narrator: top cia official john rizzo helped authorize the prisons. >> rizzo: creating a prison system was something, certainly in my 25 years, we had never done. it was essential that these people be held in absolute isolation, with... with access to the fewest number of people. that quickly led to the conclusion that... that facilities had to be built oversees, secret facilities. >> narrator: for the first time, the white house had approved the building of an international prison system entirely in secret. >> priest: the amount of secrecy is phenomenal. the desire and the willingness of government to operate in secret and to deny the public, the media, the basic facts about what they were doing was all- inclusive. we were falling deeper and deeper into a secretly-run government. >> narrator: and the secrecy was spreading. at the pentagon, by 2002, donald rumsfeld was waging his own covert campaign inside the defense department. >> priest: the cia was very much in front of the military, and that bothered rumsfeld greatly. and he would write memos saying, "this cannot stand. we