>judgment. >> schriin: john rizzo, was it neither right or effective?ll, it was effective.up a things, nick, first of all, i was in a leadership position at c.i.a. dring those years. i was involved in the program from beginning to end. miss haspel, i have to beec circumhere, because i know she was a little-- couldn't get into a lot of her precise responsibilitieses-- but i will say thifor miss haspel-- she was not in a leadership position at thece agency, andtainly was not in a leadership position, like i was, in the creation and approval and implementation of those techniques. so, i mean, i think that's important to keep innerate her, just because she wasn't int leadership? >> i don't think so. i mean, again, you're on te front lines. you have to make the tough decisions. and you're in a situation where there aren't people t prhoblem, eand yo,u've got to exercise a jgment that you know is best and is going to work. interestingly, also, in listening to her testimony, she thisr answered directly if was effective or not. i forget which senator asked her,

john. mr. rizzo, let's start with you. you came up in yesterday's hearing. your book came up in yesterday's hoonk. i want to play that moment from senator finestein and gina haspel. >> in his memoir, former cia counsel general john rizzo described how in 2005 jose rodriguez was promoted to be deputy cia director for operations and installed as his chief of staff an officer from the counterterrorist center who had previously run the interrogation program. is that you? >> senator, i'm so pleased you asked me that question. >> yes or no will do. >> no. and for the record, if you have your staff check, mr. rizzo has issued a correction. >> mr. rizzo, what is that correction? >> well, the correction was, this was -- just put it in context for a second, katy. this was one sentence in a 330-page book i put out four years ago. in this one sentence i said that miss haspel -- i couldn't use her name then because she was under cover -- before becoming jose rodriguez' chief of staff, quote, ran the interrogation program. when this was brought to my attention a couple we

. >> schrifrin: john rizzo, does it matter ifimit'moral?rst of all, it was not illegal at the time. now a program like that co not take place today because congress subsequently, a few years back, basally prohibited any of these harsh techniques. >> schrifrin: right, but does it matter if it's immoral? >> oh, sure, that's a fact. for what it's worth, i believe there was a moral imperative after 9/11, both from the american people and fro congress, that the c.i.a. would not, could not, must not allow second major attack on the homeland to happen. i mean, as weall remember, those were very perilous times. in terms of the morality, ith think-- k-- i believed then, i believe now-- c.i.a. in a moral imperative on behalf of the american pique people to protect the country, to protect thousands of people, innocent people from being murdered, and to use those techniques wiin the law that would elist the o kicritical intelligence that could prevent another major take takata onhis country. >> schrifrin: stephen xenakis, i want to get your thoughts qu

written with cia approval about the hunt for the lot there was a book that was recently published by john rizzo who was a counsel for the cia it was called company man and although he lauded the cia and all the good works that the cia did he did mention somewhat innocuously that there were hollywood assets sprinkled throughout los angeles. carl bernstein had a seminal article in the rolling stone magazine one hundred seventy seven years at watergate muckraker that if we cover the senate u.s. senate church committee and their findings on u.s. intelligence in the cia he found that well over four hundred members of the media lived our lives and i work for the cia and these were not just regular journalists but the owners of of all the major media less than the owners of c.b.s. a.b.c. n.b.c. etc time incorporated different ways they did it was basically owning you know getting ownership over most of the media i've been a journalist for about twenty five years and i was educated to lie to betray and not to tell the truth to the public now you asked what have i done for intelligence agencies so pleas

in his memoir, former cia counsel general john rizzo described how in 2005 jose rodriguez was promolted to be deputy cia director for operations and installed as his chief of staff an officer from the counterterrorist center who had previously run the interrogation program. is that you? >> senator, i'm so pleased you asked me that question. >> yes or no will do. >> no. and for the record, if you -- if you have your staff check, mr. rizzo has issued a correction. it is -- it is true that it is hard for -- >> excuse me, my understanding -- >> that is not accurate. >> is that he was recently confirmed it was you. >> no, he issued a correction. when people write books, i didn't read mr. rizzo's books so i didn't even know that was out there. mr. rizzo and actually i read about it in "the washington post" last night. eric wemple wrote a story talking about the failure of certain organizations to correct their facts. and that was one of them. and he noted that mr. rizzo about ten days ago he was wrong, he didn't in fact check, and that has been corrected. i would never even served in that dep

than two decades i have ever sat in, but let me begin, in his memoir former cia counsel general john rizzo described how in 2005 jose rodriguez was promoted to be deputy cia director for operations, and installed as his chief of staff an officer from the counter terrorism center who had previously run the interrogation program. is that you? >> senator, i am so pleased you asked me that question. >> yes or no will do. >> no. and for the record, if you have your staff check, mr. rizzo has issued a correction. it is true that it is hard for -- >> my understanding that is n not -- >> my understanding is it was you. >> no, i didn't read mr. rizzo's book so i didn't even know that was out there. mr. rizzo, and actually i read about it in "the washington post" last night. eric wimpel, i believe, wrote a story talked about the certain organizations to correct their facts and that was one of them, and he noted that mr. rizzo about ten days ago, he was wrong. he didn't fact check, and that has been corrected. i would never even served in that department nor was i the head of it. >> several weeks lat

counsel general john rizzo described how in 2005 jose rodriguez was promoted to be deputy c.i.a.director for operations and installed as his chief of staff an officer from the counter terror center who had previously run the interrogation program. is that you? >> senator, i'm so pleased you asked me that question. >> yes or no will do. >> no. and for the record, if you have your staff check, mr. rizzo has issued a correction. it is true that it is hard for -- in a -- that is not accurate. >> you recently confirmed it was you. >> no, he issued a correction. when people write books. i didn't read his book so i didn't know that was out there. mr. rizzo -- actually i read about it in the "washington post" last night. a reporter wrote a story talking about the failure of certain organizations to correct their facts and that was one of them. and he noted that mr. rizzo, about 10 days ago, he was wrong. he didn't fact check. and that has been corrected. i would never even serve in that department nor was i the head of it. >> let me read his quote from the book. several weeks later porte

in his memoir, the former cia consul general john rizzo described how in 2005, jose rodriguez was promoted to be deputy cia director for operations. and installed as his chief of staff an officer from the counter terrorist center who had previously run the interrogation program. is that you? >> senator, i am so pleased you asked me question. >> yes or no will do. >> no. and for the record, if you have your staff check, mr. rizzo has issued a correction. it is true that it is hard for -- >> it is my understanding that it was recently confirmed it was you. >> no. he issued a correction. when people write books, i didn't read mr. rizzo's book so i didn't even know that was out there. mr. rizzo, and actually, i read about it in the "washington post" last night. eric wemple wrote a story talking about the failure of certain organizations to correct their facts, and that was one of them. and he noted that mr. rizzo, about ten days ago, he was wrong. he didn't fact check. and that has been corrected. i would never even have served in that department, nor was i the head of it. >> let me read direc