as robert louis stevenson once said, it is the duty of the christian do not succeed but to , fail carefully. john lewis succeeded cheerfully , reversing that insight of robert louis stevenson. to tell his story, to be in conversation with john lewis, is to be in conversation with the deepest truths of the human experience as informed by our imperfect understanding of the divine. we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face, i think john lewis saw through the glass , into that glass, more clearly than anyone else i have ever known. i have been lucky in my life, michelle called me a renowned presidential historian -- i must say, that is like being described as the best restaurant in a hospital. it is not that hard. but i have known three people really well. in public life. one was buried from this place, george herbert walker bush. the other is the incumbent president of the united states, joe biden. the other is john lewis. there are three wildly different people. a son of greenwich, world war ii hero, a man of immense privilege, george bush. a roman catholic, working-class guy from scranton and

but you know, it's robert louis stevenson once said, it's the duty of the christian not to succeed but to fail cheerfully. john lewis succeeded cheerfully reversing that insight of robert louis stevenson's to tell his story. to be in conversation with john lewis is to be in conversation with the deepest deepest truths of the human experience as informed by our imperfect understanding of the divine. we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face. i think john lewis saw through that glass into that glass more clearly than anyone else i've ever known. i've been lucky in my my life. michelle kindly called me a renowned presidential historian. i must say that's like being described as the best restaurant in a hospital, you know you want to win but it's not that hard but i've known three people really well. in public life one was buried from this place george herbert walker bush. the others the incumbent president of the united states joe biden and the other is john lewis. and there's three wildly different people right a son of greenwich andover and yale world war ii hero a man of immense privilege george bush. of

he was not john lewis going up, he was robert lewis bob. when a hampshire national he goes knocking, american marriages will ship -- theological seminary. he received ginger for name. his friends began to call him john, john lewis was a steer connected to the young boy who had learned so much for he became a commission, or jane, apostle of lincoln called better angels. john lewis was better angel. as an angel following to help make things grow. -- first time he came to washington was in man one woman ordered advice for the freedom rides. he is been arrested, he saw it as a baptism by fire. you'd never felt as free as when he was jailed for the first time in nashville in 1960. this whole life with, and reversal. it was about upending the ordinary conventions and understandings of power, politics, and when you, and supremacy. back in the service, they biblically informed theologically driven understanding of what the declaration of indents actually meant. with this self evident truth actually meant and he never flinched. that is a remarkable t

john roberts. the problem with everything happening in congress today, everything happening in the senate the john lewis act, is that john roberts is still there. >> right. >> nothing is happening to make him go away. the anthony kennedys who was part of the majority joining him in this sampling the civil rights act. and now he has been replaced by brett kavanaugh, ruth boehner has been replaced by someone else, and i cannot count to five votes on the supreme court that will uphold anything that gets passed by this congress to secure the voting rights act. so i don't know what we are doing if we are not expanding the court, if we are not aggressively expanding the court, we are doing nothing to protect voting rights act. because john roberts announce six conservatives can destroy whatever congress passes out of this congress, this is easily as they destroy the initial act. >> it is such a good point. stay with us here. it points to, you're totally right, john roberts is sitting there saying that i've been on a date with my wife, he sitting there watching the oysters coming over, he's sitting there watch

john roberts. the foreign people act or the john lewis act is that john roberts is still there, right? >> right. >> nothing has happened to make him go away. the anthony kennedy was part of the majority in shelby county joining roberts in eviscerating the voting rights act. anthony kennedy is being replaced by rapist ben cavanaugh. i cannot count to five. i cannot count to five votes on the supreme court that would uphold anything that gets passed by this congress to secure the voting rights act so i don't know what we're doing. if we're not expanding the court, if we're not aggressively reforming the court, we are doing nothing to protect voting rights because john roberts and now six conservatives can destroy whatever congress passes out of this congress just as easily as they destroyed the initial voting rights act. >> it's such an important point. don't change the channel. stay with us here. no, i mean, but it points to -- i mean, you're totally right. john roberts is sitting there -- i went on a date with my wife. i was watching the oysters come over. he's sitting watching like se