you get somebody like john rogge, the prosecutor who preceded him. maloning, bringing them in court themselves don't end in convictions even though they implicate these members of congress. certainly those members of congress never find themselves in the dock, let alone in jail. but you do get them voted out. it is a civil society form of accountability that is driven essentially by journalism, by activism, people coming to know what they did, and judging them for it, even though they're not locked up? >> ultimately, this is about the voters. there is a ton of journalism on this. there are hard-hitting ads when they're up for re-election during the war. but this is about the voters. and i think when i was doing this research initially, my first reaction is why isn't the story better known i think when i got to the end of it and realized there was a form of almost justice in this way against these individuals who engaged in pretty bad behavior in the 1930s and '40s, that was heartening. the voters did punish all the figures included in this. >> not al