so that's how i know john ronson up to that i didn't to. i love john ronson's book. "the men who stare at goats" is one of my favorite books, so it was especially sad to have him not, not be enthusiastic about "gulp." >> host: he writes about you, she is beloved and justifiably so which is why i feel churlish and weirdly guilty for not enjoying "gulp" more. talks about juvenile medical student humor and says it's a bit too much like a highfalutin ripley's believe it or not. a lot of digestive system trivia but not much heart. >> guest: well, that's fair enough. you know, it's, it's a topic, you know, the elementary canal as opposed to "stiff" or "spook" which deal with sex and death. those are kind of large topics. guts, the heart is a little harder to pull into it, in my defense. but, yeah. it's not, it's not -- >> host: are you affected by critiques? >> guest: oh, yeah. more sure. what he said -- not the ones where i can see where they're coming there and i understand that. what stays with me are not something like that. that doesn't really trouble me, but somebody