and john santucci. i want to bring it back to you because you've learned that the secret service has now been in touch with members of trump's team. trump's team has made proactive calls to secret service, david trying to figure out what exactly this would look like, and it's twofold. right it's the security around mara lago. it is an island. it is a complex. there is a only one bridge to get there. so that is concerned number one, and then it's obviously the concern of getting him up to new york. look as aaron was talking about earlier bike racks. they are the new things surrounding the da's office in lower manhattan. i can tell you from just walking around trump tower in midtown earlier this week, the racks are back. the cinder blocks are there. it looks as though it was the days when donald trump frankly, had a different address at 1600, pennsylvania avenue, but for the moment, we don't know when this trip would be to new york we had heard weeks ago that it would be a process it would be several days

and joining us now, john santucci, you've covered president trump both the campaigns and the administrationyou spoke with him late today. what did he have to say? i spoke to him right after news of that indictment. your jew he called it political persecution, said it's an attack on our country said they are trying to impact an election. obviously the election he's referring to 2024. i then asked the former president, do you plan to come to new york? do you plan to turn yourself in? he said. take care of yourself, john. and he hung up on me. that's an excellent end to that conversation, and yet his lawyers have told us that he is expected to turn himself in on tuesday. how do you think that will play out? and yet this is also not the only potential criminal charge. it's not the only one. so let's start with new york. he is absolutely planning to come, though he doesn't want to be in court. he's going to take every political bona fide he believes , comes with it. as one aide said to me, do they release the mug shot? we want to print that on a t shirt and added to our campaign roster. as far a