dean john sauer and mr. aaron francis reitz believe would justify that. >> i represented donald trump for the better part of two years and i think that is not a plausible scenario. >> do you say the same, mr. aaron francis reitz? >> you are out of time. senator hawley. >> this last line of questioning sounded to me like my friend senator durbin was defending the core about 2 decision which is one of the worst and most abhorrent decisions in the history of the united states. i want to be clear on this, let me give you a chance to weigh in on this. when we have a decision that is absolutely morally abhorrent, korematsu, dred scott, we can go down the line, should officials who disagree with morally abhorrent decisions blindly follow it or do they register their disagreements and if they have to resign in protest? there is a system for this, a pattern for this, is the united states better off if our public officials in the face of grievous moral wrongs, say and do nothing? dean john sauer. >> i agree with your

john sauer knows very well what the right answer is there. >> yeah, it is. i mean, mystifying left me speechless, as you can tell, since i'm blabbering, ellie always appreciate it. good to see you, my friend. thank you. >> thanks, erica. all right. >> still to come here? a mysterious disease in africa, now responsible for the deaths of more than 50 people. what? we know ahead in the cnn newsroom. >> just close the doors. you're in a world of your own. travel is not just about the destination. >> say goodbye to congestion. it's comeback season. >> patients who. >> have sensitive teeth but also want whiter teeth. they have to make a choice one versus the other. sensodyne clinical white provides two shades whiter teeth, as well as providing 24 over seven sensitivity protection. patients are going to love to see sensodyne on the shelf. >> you'll be back. emus can help people customize and save with liberty mutual. >> gabe cohen and doug. >> well, i'll be. >> only pay for what you need. >> liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. >> mucinex nightshift starts working a

john sauer the also and then ed martin, who is the acting u.s. attorney in d.c., who represented defendants in january 6th in the case of beauvais, though, there's a you know, i talked to some of his former colleagues who are very surprised at his role here, in part because, you know, after january 6th, he helped lead the effort in new york. he was a lawyer at the southern district of new york, and he pushed for agents and prosecutors to be involved in these cases, helped approve some of the legal process. so for him to now be part of this weaponization group that is reviewing these cases seems like a bit of a conflict of interest, or at least an appearance one. >> yeah, i highly doubt that his work on those january 6th cases is going to be reviewed as as part of this. and evan, we're learning that the new doj's leadership, their relationship with trump has caused some tensions within the department. tell us about that. >> well, yeah, i mean, obviously they in some of the meetings behind the scenes, some of the people like beauvais, for instance,

john sauer, who i mentioned did deliver.de in the immunity case here he was today doing what he knows how to do, which is sort of parse and slice. he he invoked the idea that maybe they would resist some orders, but he picked a case that most people think was wrongly decided about japanese internment. korematsu, which again, speaks to his sort of skill to say, well, what about that one? so i want to play this for your response. >> generally, if. >> there is a direct court order that binds. >> a federal. >> or state official, they should follow it. >> why do you say. >> generally give me an exception? >> i suppose. >> one could imagine hypotheticals. >> in extreme cases. >> like, you know. >> the. >> korematsu decision. >> i believe there was a. >> court order there that there that. >> upheld, which. >> is now. >> been, i think, correctly. >> repudiated by virtually everyone. >> a court order that. >> upheld the internment of. >> japanese civilians. >> during his. >> bad as it was, that. >> court order was. >> followed for ye

i do not know a better lawyer in this country than john sauer. i'm a delighted to see him here today and i support your nomination. iredell my colleagues to do the same. >> only because of seniority did you get asked that question first. it is an honor and privilege to introduce the smartest lawyer i have ever met. president trumps nominee to be solicitor general of the united states and my former solicitor general of missouri john sauer. born and raised amanda the personal set faith a devoted husband to his wife and father to his five children. he ventured east to attend duke oxford as a rhodes scholar, notre dame, harvard law school, i mentioned it. after graduating from harvard law he clerked for judge as senator holly mentioned in the late great justice school he. after clerking he worked out the most influential law firms in the eastern district of missouri and started his own law firm. during my time john was my solicitor general. as solicitor general of missouri his performance was nothing short of exemplary. he demonstrated the ability to

the supreme court, here is that moment in the federal appeals court in washington last year, when john sauerpainful logic of his own rejected argument by appeals court judge florence pan. >> could a president. >> order seal team six. >> to assassinate a. >> political rival? >> that's an official act. >> in order to seal team six. >> he would have to be and would speedily be, you know, impeached and convicted before the criminal prosecution. what if he weren't? >> there would be no criminal prosecution, no criminal liability for that. >> chief justice's opinion in marbury against madison and our constitution and the plain language of the impeachment judgment clause all clearly presuppose that what the founders were concerned about was not. >> a yes, no. >> yes or no question. could a president who ordered seal team six to assassinate a political rival who was not impeached? would he be subject to criminal prosecution. >> if he were impeached and convicted first? >> so your answer is yes. >> my answer is qualified. yes. >> so after the professional humiliation of telling the federal appeals co

you may recognize one of those nominees, the guy with the raspy voice, he's named john sauer.awyer who told a federal appeals court that donald trump would be within his rights to order a team of navy seals to assassinate his political opponents, that that donald trump could not be prosecuted for, for giving such an order. mr. sauer is now up for the job of solicitor general, which is the person who represents the united states government before the supreme court. the unnerving refusal by him and other trump justice department nominees yesterday to say that the president must always obey the federal court's. that prompted a stern and somewhat unexpected admonition from one republican senator from john kennedy of louisiana. >> you're all adults. you're all officers of the court. some will give you some advice. i may be wrong, but i doubt it. don't ever, ever. >> take the. >> position that you're not. going to follow the order of a federal court, ever. now, you can disagree with. >> it. >> within the bounds of. >> legal ethics. >> you can criticize it. >> you can. >> appeal it.

john sauer, who's going to be the solicitor general or he is nominated for that? and emil bove, who is kind of the center of our story that we published today on cnn.com. he is the acting deputy attorney general. and one of the things we found is that he was intimately involved in helping design and helping some of the legal process that fbi agents used for dozens of cases back when he was a prosecutor in the southern district of new york. and that was back in 2021. he joined donald trump's legal team in 2022, and now he is helping to oversee this weaponization. he's the one that has been sending memos, trying to get the names of all those 5000 agents and analysts who worked on these cases. there's also ed martin, right. he is the acting dc, u.s. attorney. he actually represented january 6th. defendants before now running the u.s. attorney's office in d.c., which did the bulk of these prosecutions. so we've talked to experts, ethics experts who say, look, maybe they're not violating the the the rules as they are established at the justice department, but the depar

solicitor general, john sauer, said he won't rule out ignoring court orders. listen to this. >> generally, if there is a direct court order that binds a federal or state official, uh, they should follow it. >> why do you say generally give me an exception that would be acceptable to you? >> i suppose again, i as i sit here, i can't think of a hypothetical one way or the other. i suppose one could imagine hypotheticals in extreme cases. >> how should congress respond if that happens? senator? >> well, we. first of all, it's really important that you're getting this out to the american people because what we have now is a president who's violating the power of the purse and impounding money, something that nixon was not allowed to do by the supreme court. second, you're having the solicitor general basically say that the president has an option as to whether he will follow a supreme court order. that is an extraordinary constitutional crisis. so right now we have the president disregarding democrats. he's not at all engaged with us. he's disregarding republicans

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for example, the solicitor general, john sauer, previously represented president trump in some of hisongoing cases. he is up for solicitor general, which is the official lawyer who argues on behalf of the united states in front of the supreme court. now, this is a multiple nominees being heard being tested at the same time. harmeet dhillon, also another former trump lawyer. she is up to head the civil rights division. and this is really. paula, i'm gonna have to interrupt you. i'm sorry, but it looks like we do have the cabinet assembled and we see the president speaking. let's listen in. >> we're doing. >> very. >> well with russia. >> ukraine. >> president zelenskyy is going to be coming on friday. >> that's now confirmed. >> and we're going to be signing an agreement., which will be a very big agreement. >> and i want to thank howard and scott for the job you guys did in putting it together. we did an amazing job. and that will be on rare earth and other things. and as you know, we're in for probably $350 billion. the europe is in for 1 billion, $100 billion. and that's a big diffe

john sauer also involved here. he was helping on the supreme court cases. and, you know, the question of whether these people should recuse themselves. it comes up. but, of course, you and i both remember that in donald trump's world, recusal is a dirty word. you remember, of course you know. yeah. you remember jeff. sessions never recovered from that. so that that is part of what is now part of this discussion. >> it's it's interesting too, because beauvais was the one that sent that initial email over to the fbi or memo saying terminations. >> right. exactly. >> for these agents that and he was involved with the early stages. i think that context is so important. i really want to ask you quickly about the jfk file assassination files, and there are some new tidbits coming out about that. >> the fbi says they found 2400 documents that could be part of this review. now that they're doing. and we'll see whether under the president's order that these get released, keep in mind there have been a number of a number of these reviews, and every time they look at

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