joined by rich of bloomberg and john schwartz of "usa today." i just don't even know where to start with all that. let me start with, how's bono? >> he sends his best regards. he is a big fan of your show. >> i knew that. >> get him on the show one day, i guess. >> he's really hoping if he performs well enough, one day he will be good enough to get on the show. looks to me for leadership for this kind of thing. >> you sold paul. wh what did you make of palm? >> the funny thing about being an investor, this is generally forgotten, you have to make mistakes in order to have great things happen. you need to try things that are bold. what we were trying to do with palm was to marry the worldwide web with mobility in a smartphone. and to try to do some things that we perceived apple would not be doing. in the end, we did not succeed. we made a couple mistakes right off the beginning. when you go back and look at a thing like this, the thing that killed us was something that we never thought about deeply, which is we assume that business people would

john schwartz, sharme and c.e.o. of energy 21 said, if the government would get out of the way from are regulation standpoint, 21, do what we do, you'll see us continue to hire and grow this economy. i think that's a message from across the board, should shirler. and i believe it is a -- schiller, and i believe it is a message. it doesn't seem like the executive branch fully understands how this economy actually works. . obstacle each rule and regulati hurting job growth and employment in this country. david park, c.e.o. of austin capital. we are coming at businesses and they are taking a toll. this will be a deterrant to entrepreneurs. companies under five years old, the difficulty and forming a company is burdensome and hugely complex all because of this endless control and regulation. you and i have all the answers? we don't have the answers. the answers are found in the citizens of this great country. we passed a bill the other day on balla smp t water. and i sit on the transportation committee and i noticed that

tonight a look a at occupy wall street with john heilemann of "new york" magazine and mattathias schwartz of the "new york" magazine. >> i think the first thing you would say is we're at the moment where this is not a moveme yet. it's a moment and it's been an incredible moment for two and-a-half months where 900 occupations have started up around the world. and they have injected the notion of quality of the national conversation in a way that it had not been as recently as september. but the transition from moment to movementf that does occur, that is where we are. if people thought they could get the change they wanted to in the system they wouldn't be cping ouall night much this is what people want to do when they want to opt out of the existing power structure which for is the elections because they feel like they're t going toet what they want that way >> charlie: we continue with marc benioff and a look where the technology revolution is heading right now. >> the salesforce is a company that's really pioneered the cloud and the idea of the cloud is like amazon or e-bay or google. y

we'll also talk about john wortham, investigative reporter from sports it's straighted, and you'll also hear from mike schwartz, he's the reporter who broke the story about bobby davis secretly recording a conversation in 2002 with bernie fine's wife. we want to play that entire report for you right now. espn says an independent audio analyst has confirmed that the voice you're about to hear is indeed that of laura fine. and a warning, what you're about to hear does contain graphic sexual content. here right now is espn's mark schwartz. >> bobby davis says he knew of one person who could volley date that he was being sexually abused by bernie fine. that person was fine's wife, lori fine. >> hello. >> high, how are you? >> davis says that in october of 2002, he recorded a phone conversation with lori fine without her knowledge. a legal act based on the location ever both parties. during the call, fine, seen here in hidden camera video from 2003, discussed the alleged sexual molestation of davis by her husband, syracuse associate head basketball coach bernie fine. >> what did he want to you do, you can be honest