jeff daniels, john sculley.o down to florida and see him, he played an important part in steve's life, but i'm of the opinion that all the beginnings simply were a building box for what happened after he came back and all the things he did in terms of one thing after the other. sculley was long gone by them, but you fell in love with him, like him, and therefore, he plays a commanding place in this. sorkin: i do like john sculley -- there's no doubt about that, but i fell in love with the conflict between steve and john sculley, just as i fell in love with the conflict between steve and woz, steve and his daughter, lisa. there have to be points of friction in order for there to be any kind of story. this not being a biography of steve jobs, it does not matter to me that the iphone came later or that john sculley was not around later. there was a fantastic conflict between steve and sculley that i wanted to dramatize in the movie. rose: the biggest conflict is not between steve and anyone else, but between steve

not being a biography of steve jobs, it does not matter to me that the iphone came later or that john sculley not around later. there was a fantastic conflict between steve and sculley that i wanted to dramatize in the movie. rose: the biggest conflict is not between steve and anyone else, but between steve and steve. that's the conflict. sorkin: yes, i think that we see that in this movie, but i just disagree with you that i like some people, do not like some other people, so some people make it into the movie and others do not. that's not how it works. much youding about how found fascinating sculley's story. sorkin: i find his story fascinating. i'm crazy about lots of things that were not in the movie. we should not judge you by some value in terms of people in the role they played in the life -- the role they played in steve's life? wife ischarlie, steve's not in this movie. three of his children are not in this movie. the word pixar is not mentioned. that was a pretty big deal in his life. rose: i don't think a movie maker or a movie maker or writer should be judged on what they did not

john sculley, who was the c.e.o.f apple and became famous or infamous for firing steve jobs from apple. he is a wonderful man and a great character. jobs hasovie, thaticts with all of them get dramatized and worked out in a very compressed, claustrophobic environment. emily: i also spoke with steve jobs' former p.r. mastermind who helped launch the macintosh and went on to work with jobs at pixar. here is her take on the film. >> he doesn't excellent ta -- he doesn't at one job of characterizing the good, bad, and ugly of steve jobs. he was a complex character. what i really love about the film is it takes around this of his character and expresses it in less than two hours. emily: that is andy cunningham, steve jobs marketing expert. insight of all -- in spite of all the drama, this movie is getting oscar buzz. what are you hearing in hollywood? what is the reaction? jobs" opens this weekend in only about four theaters. two in new york and two in l.a. it is off to a strong start. michael fassbender who was picked af

john sculley, who was the c.e.o.apple and became famous or infamous, depending on how you look at it, for firing steve jobs from apple. he is a wonderful man and a great character. in this movie, jobs has conflicts with all of them that get dramatized and worked out in a very compressed, very claustrophobic environment. emily: i also spoke with steve jobs' former p.r. mastermind who helped launch the macintosh and went on to work with jobs at pixar. here is her take on the film. cunningham: he does an excellent job of characterizing the good, bad, and ugly of steve jobs. there is plenty of all three of those with him. he is, was a complex character. what i really love about the film is it takes the roundness of his character and expresses it in less than two hours. emily: that is andy cunningham, steve jobs' marketing expert. founder of the cunningham collective. in spite of all this drama, this movie is now getting oscar buzz. what are you actually hearing out there in hollywood? what is the reaction? >> "steve jobs

technology, associating ever, move by dell to move from struggling pc business, joining us right now john sculleyd to have you on the program welcome. >> thank you. >> we've got to get to biopeculiar steve jobs film i want your take how you feel you were represented let me ask you about this deal each of them mc and dell, given -- emc and you srevolution how do you view this. >> timing is perfect microsoft having a lot of success with winds 10, windows so a zbant move for microsoft going to give newer energy to pc mobile products that are connected to it, so good timing for dell. >> is this is more enterprise play or something else? >> well, dell is obviously trying to de-emphasize the amount of business that comes out of pc's it is a declining category in general, and a low margin category, but it is a smart move about they have been work on security a long time less -- emphasize that part of the business emerging with emclue strengthens that smart move silver lake is one of the best private equity firms in the world that partnered up with dell, a good move for everybody. >> talking about dell g

>> fantastic. >> is he on the phone. >> john sculley here. >> i don't know if you knew but sculley wasgoing to join us and now he is, he is on the phone here. >> this would be a really good time to tell me you don't hate what i did. >> right. right. you've seen the movie i imagine, right? >> i have seen the movie and i love it. terrific entertainment. jeff daniels, you were terrific and i love you in everything you do, i just saw you in martian the other night so i was thrilled to have you play me so thank you. >> oh, thank you john. i told you when we met and you were leaving i said i think you're going to like t we really went after the scully side of the story and really tried to show your strength in dealing with steve and i'm thrilled you enjoy it. >> john do you understand why some lovers of steve jobs don't like this movie and the way he is portrayed? what do you think of the way that michael fast bender plays him in this movie? >> well of course i understand that but most people don't know steve in those early years and the reality was that he was always a genius always brillia

." >> jimmy: you played a tricky role, john sculley, who is the guy that's kinda responsible for firing steve jobs from apple. >> yeah. [ light laughter ] >> that's one way of -- he argued that, but basically, it was a wonderful, wonderful, almost surrogate father relationship with steve that was just tight. and they trusted each other in the beginning. and then john made a business decision that steve didn't agree with. and steve never forgave him, felt betrayed, and they never spoke again. so it was to meet him and see some of that pain that was still there after all these years. not only about some of the business decisions that john would say, should have done it different, but that he really loved the guy, he cherished the guy. >> jimmy: he did. >> and that's what's still with john and we threw it into the movie. >> jimmy: here we have a clip here. it's jeff daniels and michael fassbender in "steve jobs." take a look at this. >> i can't put it more simply than this. we need to put our resources into updating the apple 2. >> by taking resources from the mac. >> it's failing. that's

you know the interesting thing for me was -- i got the chance to meet like, wozniak and john sculley and joanna hoffman, andy hertzfeld, all people that he worked with. and it's amazing just to see how much of an impact he still has on their lives and how much they remember. i could feel the sadness and the love there was pretty palpable. so that was -- that was something i really took from those meetings. >> jimmy: it's amazing. you have to see this film. it's so good. he's fantastic in it. we have a clip. here is michael fassbender and >> you're gonna end me aren't you? >> you're being ridiculous. i'm gonna sit center court and watch you do it yourself. then i'm gonna order a nice meal with '55 margaux and sign some autographs. >> jesus. >> you want some advice, pepsi generation? don't send woz out to slap me around in the press. anybody else. you, markkula, arthur rock. anyone but "rain man." don't manipulate him like that. whatever you may think, i'm always going to protect him. >> come on, steve. >> that's what men do. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: michael fassbender! "steve