john seigenthaler was there but he was trying to rescue the two ladies. they didn't know who he was so she said, get in this car and one of the ladies said we don't know who you are and we are not going with you because we are supposed to be with this group. they were dedicated and determined to stay with that group. we don't know what happened to them because he finally got them into the car and was hit over the head with a pipe and he was out for he said half an hour, and we were talking about earlier. we would love to find out where is sue herman and xu wilbur to hear their stories as to what happened to them after seigenthaler was knocked out. whether they got away in the car or what. we don't know. we were arrested in jackson mississippi. i finally went down with a fairer way to arrest in jackson mississippi. we had the national guard from montgomery all the way to jackson, the alabama national guard on the bus with baronets. then we got to the line and they changed the mississippi guards. we were taken to jail. i managed to get inside the bus termin

and john seigenthaler told me, when we talked about this that the only thing that schlesinger wanted im to change when he saw john's manuscript was that he thought that he had slighted the what is known as the all of mexico movement, the idea during the mexican war when we were sort of in logger heads, we'd gone all the way to mexico city but they still wouldn't retreat or negotiate, that we should just take over the whole country. and schlesinger believed that that was a more serious movement at that time than was in seigenthaler's book, and so john went back and put it in. and my research indicates that it was a significant bi-play during a certain point of the mexican war. but, no, i think john has got polk exactly right. i do think that he would have gotten right into the acidic politics of today, although not so much in terms of face-to- face confrontation because polk was not good at that but he was very good at attempting to outmaneuver his rivals behind the scenes and he loved doing that. >> just for a side moment, for those who say that today's politics are a lot more acidic