next i'd like to ask bill hersch and john sesky from the aids legal referral panel to speak and i want to thank the first person was bill who said let's look at the report and let's talk about it so i want to thank you for raising the issue. >> good morning, supervisors, i want to thank you for taking the time to look at this issue in more depth and certainly, supervisor wiener, i want to thank you for your leadership in calling your attention to this issue. i'm bill hersch, i'm the director of the aids legal panel and now the co-chair of the aids provider network. lrp provides services assisting people with hiv and aids around a broad array of insurance matters and i'm proud to have our insurance attorney here to talk about the work he does with clients. you've heard some of the good news and the bad news this morning so the good news is that people living with hiv and aitsds are living much longer. the bad news is that people have been living for decades in poverty and with disability and many folks never planned for a retirement because they didn't think they were going to be around