you don't get much better training in the art of politics, than from a guy like john shadegg. whose father steven shadegg actually wrote the book, how to win an election -- >> and ran barry goldwater's campaign. >> and ran barry goldwater's campaigns. and, and so, there was a great learning experience there. i spent a lot of time working in campaigns across the country. one of my favorite was, i ran tom coburn's senate race in 2004 when he ran for the he has become a strong conservative voice in the senate, he's retiring this year. and, you know, those experiences, along with taking on the policy fights, particularly on healthcare, just gave me the experience and the knowledge to do the kinds of things that i've been doing. >> as we see the money bags in front of congress, can you win an election without a lot of dough? >> sure. ideas matter. and let me give you an example. there might have been -- some of your viewers probably remember not very long ago, just a few weeks ago, the sitting majority leader of the u.s. house, eric cantor, was beaten pretty badly in his primary ag

goldwater was the pilot and shattuck was the longtime campaign manager, the father of congressman john shadegg who has been in congress. i kept bumping into monsters you when i was writing this book but the previous one i wrote 10 years ago was about her life because so much of it took place before i was either not on the planet are old enough to understand what it all meant. i spent a lot of time with her since she passed away in 97 through the presence of writing. >> host: raising a child in washington in this media saturated out and all that could be an interesting challenge in itself and essentially to zero to respond. even if the child wants to be like his or her parent or wants to get as far from journalism or whatever and they can't. how about you? >> guest: i was in both camps. part of the book my story with her as we had a very rough relationship between about when i was 14 and my parents divorced and i went and lived with my dad and tell others about 24, it was very wrong and, contributors on both sides. i was no picnic. >> host: a great time of life, isn't it transferred its surpris