. >> john sherman cooper, one of the saints of the senate and also a republican. and he had enormous prestige in that senate as a gifted staff member. and he was able, he knew exactly what had to be done. he was an old hand. and then i think you'd have to say that the executive branch -- maybe with a little time -- but they ended up, in effect supporting what we were all doing. you have to give some credit to president ford who was not an idealogue, probably a little afraid of the process but wanted, i think, to succeed. he had attorney general levy -- levi -- levy from the university of chicago who became a tremendous supporter as head of the justice department in shaping regulations and rules and became a believer before it was over. and so the contrast of this committee that worked together excellent staff that provided that same background and then cooperating not perfectly -- the executive branch cooperating not perfectly, but when you think of what we asked of them and what they delivered, one of the jobs i had as chairman of this committee domestic task for