but john spellar is out of time. but john spellar is now in the lords. he's brought it back.ack for a vote next week. and it would mean that people going to africa or other parts of the world who were shooting animals and wanted their heads put on a trophy and brought back to britain, would not be allowed to britain, would not be allowed to do so . but i wonder, and i've to do so. but i wonder, and i've always wondered , will this always wondered, will this really be a benefit to those communities, particularly in africa, where one person who thinks it may not be is professor amy dickman, co—author of the study that came from oxford and professor of wildlife conservation at the oxford university and contrary to what many say, amy, you think that the trophy hunting ban would have a bad effect on african wildlife and african communities? >> yes. and it's important to note that this isn't just an african issue. trophy hunting occurs all the way around the globe, but it tends to be focused on africa. i think because we have this very disneyfied image of africa and as you say, the

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