there's a story when john stein beck goes and visits with lbj. and he loves stein beck, johnson, the land, the people, that kind of thing. but i go with jefferson and theodore roosevelt as the most literate of our presidents. >> including well read. >> yes. >> the back is edited by douglas brinkley. thank you, a pleasure. >> thanks, charlie. >> thank you for joining us. see you next time. >> for more about this program visit us on-line at pbs.org and charlierose.com. >> on the next char lee rose a conversation with james cameron, the film director, about his trip to the ultimate depths of the ocean. >> release, release, release! >> see ya. >> i think my heart rate is up a little bit at the moment that i tell them to release the sub. >> deep sea challenger, do you copy, over? >> deep sea challenger, do you copy, over? >> you're down at 27,000 feet and one system goes, then another system goes, then another system, and pretty soon you realize you're in this kind of dead metal coffin, and if the weights don't come off, you're toast. >> funding for c