that evolved into john mack and stein, my grandfather's name, and that was a clothing department storemy father who is an entrepreneur decided he wanted to be on his own and he started a wholesale grocery business. david: they want to do to go in the business at some point? john: i do not think my father did. my mother it a strong force. she wanted me to be a doctor but i did not want to. my father was laid back and my mother was really aggressive. it was a great combination. david: you are a high school football star. john: i do not know about a star. david: i was allstate. john: i was. david: you get a scholarship at duke university to play football. what happened to your career at duke? john: i thought i was a good football player until i got to duke. in my sophomore year, i was a red shirt for one year and then i was on the second team but i broke c6 in my neck. i cracked it up. every time i would tackle someone, my left arm inside will go dead. frank bassett, one of the orthopedic surgeons at duke, called and said this young man's football career is over. he has a bona fide injury

john huntsman, everybody's favorite republican from several cycles ago. there are democrats in this town still talking to their therapist about jill stein.t's worse. the biden campaign has also put donald trump in this box as an existential threat. >> i think the point of voters who dislike either option, they broke for trump in 2016, broke for biden in 2020. we don't know where they'll be in 2024. does this also speak to perhaps what is the biggest worry about president biden, which is lack of enthusiasm. people will be excited to turn out perhaps to vote against donald trump, but are there enough people out there excited to vote for president biden? >> president biden is doing a historically phenomenal job. does everybody feel that yet? no, they do not. when the existential threat is trump and there are no other alternatives, they do well. reelects are hard and at this point a year out from the election, you're always going to have a lack of enthusiasm, but that existential threat is still going to be there come november of 2024. i feel confident that the biden team will be able to turn out the same amount of people that we needed in '