"i think," said john steinbeck, "we call this the american spirit.">> i believe that desperate times deserve desperate songs, you know? and you know, and what is the fight today? the fight -- that song and, you know, that artist, and i try to contribute in my own way, it is continued links in the chain, you know? and that it, during every epoch, there are those that, there's two sides to history. like, one of the things that i think the occupy movement's been very successful is both bringing class to the fore and identifying the fact that we are not one homogenous nation that high-fives each other at the super bowl. that we, there are different elements. this is a country, on the one hand, of lynchers and napalmers. and on the other hand of people fighting to desegregate lunch counters and working towards peace, you know? it's, there are two americas. i write songs for an, for not just america. i think that it's important that it's a global struggle. i don't look at myself as, while i'm very patriotic in the sense that those who have struggled for soc