and that's why i was thrilled to sit down with john stumpf. he's the chairman of the big dog, ceo wells fargo. find out what's really going on in banking in general and the company's stock in particular. take a look. >> now, it seems since we saw you last everyone's gotten so gloooo. you had a great quarter. wow, geez, oil and gas loans, it's got to be slowing down, there's not going to be the rate we@don't think wells fargo can earn as much money. >> we've been in a low rate environment for a long time. we never base our business model we're in the real company and we take in the process, we make loans, and we have been growing net interest income even though our margins have been falling. so those are really the things we look at. can we do more business with more customers and be more relevant to more americans? that's been the secret sauce as part of being a diversified business model. >> when i went over the conference calls, people just keep saying, well, wait a second, $17 billion in oil and gas loans, oil going through 30, how many of