john swinney said he was in discussions with the bank of england on a union, and that wasn't true. nicolas told s.n.p. conference the n.h.s. in scotland couldn't be privatized. now he says it isn't. >> order. we will get through this a lot quicker if the applauding and jeering will stop. there is your last question. will you just get to it. >> well, let me hope in all optimism you get an answer to the question. scotland's greatest oil expert says it would be bad for scotland. alec doesn't have a plan b on currency, or europe or oy. the trouble is this is a case that scotland doesn't trust him because he is a man without a plan. >> first minister. order. >> can i just put on the record that in answer to the first question, wood, i respect his authority, as alec and donald, who have analyzed the scottish government figures and produced their own estimates, which are similar to the estimates of the scottish figure. the up to 24 billion figure is an industry estimate. it has been used by many people. i pointed out the first 16 billion barrels it up to 2050, and alec kemp says there is