t so much of this fiction. the john grisham characters when you think about one of my favorite books, "the rainmaker." you know, these are people who are tireless, energy energetic crusaders. morris dees, the real life people who just do the right thing. they just do the right 24eu7bg. and we don't teach law students to do that, so it's beyond faith. it's about asking them to go beyond what the law is and to just fight for the right things, the most righteous crusading cause. and that's, you know, why people -- that's why these characters stand out, that's why real-life heros like morris dees stand out, because they're not doing what everyone else is doing. they're going beyond what everyone else is doing. >> and i do think there is, you know, it's interesting that atticus is a man of faith, a man who goes to church, you know? in the confession, i think we have the few characters who don't go to church are the lawyers. [laughter] and i do think it goes to, so now i'm positing drunk, atheist lawyers. what a nightmare. i went to law school not that long ago, and religion is something you don't talk about. religion has been completely decoupled from both the practice of law and the ways we think about