. >> yes, and max bacchus -- john tester, the state has been there. in statewide elections, it was very hard fought, and that was a bit unusual. so they could be a bit more sympathetic to the democratic line of argumentation. even by historical standards, it might not be as revved up or vociferous or whatever you might use it on this topic. no matter what the question. shepard: it appears clear to me, and correct me if i'm wrong, that the white house was caught after guard by the level of resistance here. and though the message seems to be changing, what are they specifically doing to win folks over? >> i have talked to people in the industry who say, wait a minute, with pre-existing conditions and lifetime caps, the industry is given to negotiation. those have not gone so well. so the white house is turning most of its attention toward health insurance, moving away from things like public health option-pay or-play, paying higher taxes, or individual mandates so people can find ways of getting insurance if they do not have it. those are some of the br

in 2006, montana elected john tester, another democrat, to the senate.ero for some of the changes for the obama era. it's also the home state of max baucus. we heard chuck todd say that the president may be hoping and by ticketing this event on a first come, first serve basis. here's president obama coming out. you can see him holding the hands of one of his daughters and michelle obama and his other daughter is coming down the stairs right now. dressed casually, no tie, which makes sense given they're on vacation. he's about to shake hands -- there, he's shaking hands with max baucus. he just passed the governor of montana there. here's john tester, the recently elected senator who was elected in 2006. and the president is hoping to get challenged a little bit directly so he can knock down some of what he thinks are myths about health care reform. they ticketed the event to try to make that happen, giving out two tickets to everybody who showed up, so there could be some mystery guests show up. this is really a critical moment for barack obama in health

washington, probably because he hasn't gone washington, still gets the same haircut, give it up for john tester. your on star here in montana, please give your governor and his wife a big round of applause. the lieutenant governor is here. the mayor of belgrade is here. the mayor of boez man is here. and somebody who i believe is destined to be one of the greatest secretaries in history, ken salazar is here. please give ken a big round of applause. it is nice to be back. it's nice to take a break from the going onin washington. i'm thrilled to spend time with the folks in this state. you've got bears, moose and elk. in washington, you just have mostly bull. so this is a nice change of pace. being in montana. i especially want to thank katie for her introduction. where'd katie go? there she is right there. katie's willing to talk about such a painful experience is important. because we have to understand what's at stake in this health care debate. katie's story is the kind of story that i've read in letters all throughout the campaign and every day when i'm president. i hear about them in town h

have numerical measures of improvement that are reliable -- meaning two testers get the same answer -- and are important. and john, more than anyone else, has figured out how to take these critical controls and say this is how you measure it -- albeit not perfectly. if you are looking for a model, for where we go -- as i said, he does not say it is anywhere near perfect -- but this is the foundation that we can build on as in the government and an industrial base. >> if i remember correctly, that was based on previous guidelines? >> yes, the work that john gilligan had been doing took the work that the nsa was doing. if you do not do this, you ought to be fired, and that is the way i described it. if you take me 140 pages which they call top priority, still nobody really pays attention. it is really 60 controls. the ones who actually understand offense, how the attacks are done, have agreed that these test need to be done first. if not, structured threats will kill you. john figured out how to measure and monitor, and when he did the measurements, the organization's reach out to fix it. usually you are beating pe