senator john thune joins us. see you, sir. >> good evening, greta. >> what is it that the insurance companies want? >> well, basically, under obamacare. >> not the insurance -- the unions, i mean. >> the unions want to be exempted. they want to be carved out and special back room deal from what they call reinsurance tax that was applied to everybody that's in a self-insured plan. tax on individuals to raise a certain amount of money to help pay for the cost of preexisting conditions. anybody that's in a self-insured plan would be required to pay this tax per enrollee in that plan. what the unions basically have said is "we don't want to pay it." and the administration came out on october 30th with a regulation basically laying out this plan to exempt the unions from that tax. >> why? how -- >> -- the amazing thing about it is when that happens, everybody else has to pay more. it's a tax scheduled to raise a certain amount of revenue. it gets distributed among everybody else. >> pay $63 now. if half the group is o

senator john thune is here with a plan. next. >>> let's all go off the reco >>> let's go off the record for a minute. this is horrible, i sarcastically say it does top all. but there's a new online game that allows users to reenact the sandy hook shooter, shooting their mother in the head again and again and again and moving on to the school. and you know what happened there. it's not the first game of its ugly kind, but this one is worse than the other ones because the game creator is doing his best to masker aid. the game's back page also has contact information for the nra and urges people to contact lawmakers about gun control. really? contact lawmakers about gun control? you don't buy that. no one does. this guy is cruel with a phony motive. no person decent person would create a game about something causing grief to families. we may not be able to deter bad people, but with our loud voices, we can alert parents, this is out there. if you think there's an important issue i should take off the record go to greta wire an

senator john thune sits on that senate committee. it's been a week, what kind of improvements have you made. how much further do we have to go. senator thune on that. er. >> learn about the gunman who opened gunfire on a shopping mall in new jersey. witnesses describe the chaos as they were leaving last night. >> gunshots echoed through the mall. there were a lot of customers that they hear a gunman on the loose and shots fire, we need to get out. i got them out of the store and just kept waving them on. >> nobody knew what was going on. our instinct was to tell the manager to close the store gate. we did that. then we heard another gunshot. at that type we were all traumatized and shake. >> all we wanted to to was get safe. >> people were dropping stuff and literally running for their lives. bill: what do we know know about what happened last night? >> reporter: it was 10 minutes before closing type when this gunman walked into this mall he just opened fire randomly. not shooting at people, but objects like an elevator and escalator

the rnc and senator john thune have been collecting numbers but stories of people as the waves of cancellations start coming through. when you start putting people to the numbers, that's when you have even more problems. they look like keystone cops over at the white house. >> it's ironic hillary clinton warned us because hillary care looked like obama care. now she gets to distance herself from it. linus, he was always waiting for the great pumpkin to come. how would you describe linus, not a liar, delusional. >> linus? >> it's a peanuts cartoon. is the president a liar or is he linus, delusional? >> let me just say that dana is a slacker. i myself was up at 5:00 saturday morning reading all day long then sunday i get up at 4:30. if you are going to get into this stuff, read more than what you're reading. >> you didn't get up, you were staying up. >> with all due respect to this statement, this is like groundhog day all over again. >> he said it last night. it's the basis of the segment. last night president obama walked back everything he said 24, 29 times and lied about saying "i told you th

. >> reporter: john thune blasted sebelius and the president for false advertising on the pitch, if you like your health care you'll be able to keep it. thune says they knew that wasn't the case. >> this is a dishonest mistake. this is a dishonesty. you've been misleading the american people and the president has, over and over again. i would much rather you just come up and say, yeah, we were wrong. we didn't tell the truth. >> reporter: after weeks of withering attacks, a leading democrat tried to give sebelius some cover. >> i find it amazing that those who seek to ascribe blame are the same folks who have spent every waking hour of the last four years working to dismantle, destroy, obstruct and impede the success of the affordable care act. >> reporter: probably the toughest shot came from gop senator pat roberts from sebelius' home state of kansas who said directly to her she should be out of a job. >> you have said america should hold you accountable, which is why today, madam secretary, i repeat my request for you to resign. >> reporter: sebelius did not respond. she's well aware

indeed, senator john thune, the third ranking senate republican, was not going to be snookerred.very time you close a loophole, said thune, you're raising taxes on somebody. in the end, it appears that all this yacht outrage may ultimately be displaced. speaker boehner is unsurprisingly ready to throw in the towel. never mind the december 13th budget deadline or the january 15th government funding deadline or the february 7th debt ceiling deadline. according to politico, in a recent meeting with his republican leadership colleagues, speaker john boehner joked that it the house shouldn't even remain in session in december. joining the panel now is former white house press secretary robert gibbs and joining us from capitol hill is democratic congresswoman from california's 46th district, congresswoman loretta sanchez. congresswoman, thanks so much for joining us. there are deadlines looming, and it sounds like nobody is at the captain's wheel. how confident are you that house republicans are going to do anything to avoid another government shutdown in january? >> well, i think they

john thune, a republican from south dakota accused kathleen sebelius of quote misleading the american people. so it will be interesting to see if the president goes back to try to talk about that pledge that he made, if you like your plan, you can keep it he tried to do it the other night. got in some more hot water for it because people thought it was a misleading attempt to back and clean that up. >> live coverage of the president in dallas on obama care during the 5:00 p.m. hour of the "situation room." >>> now to the hearing up on capitol hill, where the health and human services secretary, kathleen sebelius testified. they dug in, they were seeking answers to the obama care website among other issues. list ton what senator john cornyn of texas asked her point-blank about the president's one-time pledge that americans could keep their existing insurance plan. >> we know that lying to congress is a crime. but unfortunately, lying to the american people is not. i would just like to ask you a simple true or false question. is that statement on the white house website true? or is it f

senator john thune of south dakota asking the questions. >> it's very controversial, but we felt it was important and we also in the grandfather clause, have been written into the larger employer plans with the same kind of caveat. and i can tell you that for the vast majority of people who get employer based health care in a public plan would he be a plan or medicare, part of the insurance market. their plans are very much in place and there is change coming in the individual marketplace with consumer protections that many people have never enjoyed were experienced. they don't have a plan that they had in 2013. >> do think that americans in that market should be able to keep lands that they like him even if the government doesn't approve of them? >> if the plan was in place from the time that the law was passed, that's what the grandfather clause says. >> i think most americans believe in grace and are pretty forgiving people. they will tolerate and accept honest mistakes. but this is a dishonest mistake to me. this is a dishonestly. misleading the american people, even the president h

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