commissioner torres: were you involved in this? commissioner caen: john white was involved with this. he worked with julianne. -- julia. >> the contractor was aware of our position. if they want to pursue this issue further, they will need to call our office and file a formal request. commissioner torres: do we have a case where the contractor is not as cooperative as this one allegedly is? >> that would be more of a department question. >> if he said jubilation was that it was a -- if the situation was that it was a change in conditions, it could be argued that it was different then the conditions within the contract. it could be talked about, ok, that is a change. we will pay for that. they are the supplier of the machine, so it is their responsibility. however, if we were to purchase the machine and use it, that would be best, because they could not complain that you broke it. commissioner torres: i understand now. one last question. when you are looking at this process and how we got to this point -- which is very important. the nature of so many of t