. >> well, my dear friend john updike, who's no longer living, was also a person who wrote a good deal. >> yeah. >> and steven king writes a good deal. >> isn't it annoying that people say, oh, that joyce carol oates is so prolific, as if somehow, they're saying by your quantity, you're diminishing your quality. that surely is the implication of some people who say that, don't you think? >> well, it may be. it seems -- it's a focus that seems irrelevant to the actual writer. if you met picasso and said, well, you've done 14 million, you know, little sketches -- >> right. >> -- he would have looked kind of blank. you know, that wasn't the point of his life. >> right. >> or his career, it wasn't in done to quantity, but he was -- he was doing things that were very revolutionary. >> right. >> i think that's the way writers and artists look upon their work. maybe in sort of clusters, like you have an era, an interlude. you're doing these different things. you're not thinking in terms of a quantity of days or hours -- >> you're not checking off boxes, right? >> not at all. >> you didn't sta