here is the american taliban, john walker lit and and you really tell his story as well at the same time you're telling folks on our side. who was the? >> john walker lynncalifornia and he@"t sharif that forms one of the last part of horse shoulders, discovered in the bible the shocking world about how the young americans were in california and that the this fortress. and so, he's in there because he represented at the time i was writing the book in their story is less unusual i guess it's what i'm trying to say today because we're finding out that more people are soon to be attracted to this or he, driven by these ideals. it's so interesting that he left a very permissive environment in california and ran straight into the arms of probably one of the least permissive environments. and i don't know. we can speculate on all this, but furans tragically, tragically, you know, one of the first people to be killed after 9/11 was an officer named mike spann and he comes face-to-face with lindh and that journey was one of the arcs of the book as well. >> are there any questions from the audience. i'll ask people to start lining up at the microphone here to my

john walker land, and you really tell his story as well at the same time you were telling the story of the folks fighting on our side. what was -- who was he? >> well, general walker lynn grocery california -- it's interesting you ask that because did you see the news today about the jihadists falling on the hills of jihad machine and then the young man from new jersey who is a somalian i think who went to the same town in yemen to study arabic as well in fact told his american parents she needed to go to yemen to study the real arabic from their real -- getting it straight from the horse's mouth so to speak. so general walker land is of that ilk but he is far ahead of this kerf, and he ends up in the crosshairs of the afghan war. he's gone to study arabic and in yemen and he ends up because he doesn't -- he actually in seven bin ladens's brigade and ends up in a fortress in the maza sure reef which forms the kind of last part of the "horse soldiers" discovered in the rubble after this battle was over and the shocking world about how did this young american from california and up in this fortress. so he is in there because he represented at the time i was writing the b