it would be interesting to hear him in a discussion with john weaver who is no longer with us.john weaver describes a independence universe in which we can't have the laws of nature unless there are observers which makes you wonder you know if there were no observers, if we disappear from the scene there were no no longer any observers, will there be a history of the universe anymore and it's a very interesting question, but it does plan to the same way of thinking, this top-down way of thinking. now, whenever i finish the draft of a book, i have my husband read it he cuts my husband in his field is global studies. he is not a scientist but he is has a very good example of the target audience for my books. intelligent people who are not scientist. he claims that he can understand anybody can but he is not really that -- but he read where i quoted stephen hawking is saying something about, that he is still a child who has never grown up, still asking how and why questions, and occasionally finding an answer that satisfies him. my husband read that, occasionally finding an answer