great reading room in the public library and there's a line from whitehead that says we went on this tremendous adventure together, johnfter a portrait of snow has hung in my library to remind me of that momentous week we spent together and how it changed all of our lives and all i look up to him. i started cheering up in the library. they were friends after all. people were looking at me like what is he doing? so captivating. that is one of my great research >> host: in story of london's most terrifying epidemic--and how it changed science, cities, and the modern world" you write the construction of the new sewers was as epic and undoing as the building of the eiffel tower. if snow and whitehead's investigation showed her intelligence that come to understand a massive health crisis, sewers proved you could actually do something about it. >> guest: there is a whole urban infrastructure appreciation that i think we need to have more of and one of the best thing for me as an author with the "the ghost map: the story of london's most terrifying epidemic--and how it changed science, cities, and the modern world" is after t