college and then my first real job that i took others, my first real job was at a place called john wiley & sons. i stayed there for about five years or so and moved up the ranks. john wiley & sons is a scientific, technical publisher and i worked with people who did general publishing in that company i was able to do some interesting books and some black research libraries and historic depository of african-american culture, literature and i did work where i was able to work with the published some of the younger black and latino, and other writers who are forming like a literary movement might be overstated at. , that helped design my perspective. then i went to random house after that, first time publishing. >> in a new york times magazine vincent cunningham says, chris jackson stands between the largely white culture scenery of artists, do you agree with that? >> i went say that i stand aloof between those things. it's my aspiration, one might aspiration isn't to stand between writers and white audience at all, although that may at times -- is more interesting to me, the goal i think

my first real job in publishing this john wiley & sons. i stayed there for five years or so and really got the ring. it was a scientific fact: medical publisher. i worked with a small group of people who do general interest publishing printed a couple books at the schaumburg center, which is like a black research library and kind of in historic african-american culture and literature and i did some work when i was out quietly where i was able to work with and publish some of the younger black and latino and other writers who were kind of, you know, farming a new literary movement might be overstating it, but new center of gravity and american literature in that brought me over to random house after that. and now i'm my own. >> host: and a recent "new york times" magazine profile of viewing your work, the writer benson cunningham says chris jackson stands between the largely white culture writing from the margins. hop society. do you agree with that? >> i would say a standalone between those things. definitely my aspiration isn't necessaril

wiley is gone. bill: thank you, john, in north dakota.tha: more on this, senior adviser to the campaign, sarah, welcome. you were just listening to john's report. good to see you this morning. let's start with the rick wiley issue first. what does this reveal about what's going on inside the campaign right now? >> look, i think anytime you have a organization this large moving into the general election, it's inevitable that you're going to have some staff changes from time to time. the bottom line is donald trump has a battle-tested, very loyal campaign staff. there's always been one person in control of his campaign, the same person that was in control on day one is in control now, and that's donald trump. he's the leader of his campaign, and he's looking for loyal staff members, and he's got a very great team, campaign manager corey lewandowski, paul manafort, he's got a season, battle-tested team, and he's doing extremely well in the polls, and he's going to stick by the guys that have been with him. martha: so the story that came out

but if they're rattled, in a friendly way, that's a good thing, john, not a bad thing if he faces nomination, trump faces turmoil. rick wiley is out, just six weeks after he was brought on to help professionalize the trump effort. in a statement last night, the campaign insisted wiley was always a short-term hire. trump seemed delighted by the fact that his nomination, once thought improbable, was decided before the democrats. >> and here i am watching hillary fight and he can't close the deal. >> in fact, hillary clinton is within 78 delegates of locking up her party's nomination, but a new poll shows her in a virtual tie with bernie sanders in the california primary less than two weeks away. today, clinton reacted to trump going over the top. >> that means an unqualified, loose canon is within reach of the most powerful job in the world. >> clinton also dismissed a state department watchdog report that found she violated policy by using a private email server as secretary of state. she told a univision affiliate last night, i will continue to be open, and it's not an issue that's going to affect either the campaign or my

john kasich. alice stewart, communications director for ted cruz and last but not least, rick wiley, national political director for donald trump. thank you all for being here. crossing my fingers. let's see how it goes. let me start with you, jeff, you heard hillary clinton's reaction when i said what do you think about these five, six things that bernie sanders definitely wants in the platform and you heard her remarks and her tone about bernie sanders, what did you think? >> this race is not over by any stretch of the imagination, we're going to the end, the senator has said that repeatedly. obvious ly the platform is a concern whether he wins or loses, as is the whole process by which we elect democratic nominee. so this campaign is going on. we've got indiana coming up on tuesday and he's going all the way to the end. >> karen? >> you know, as you heard hillary say to you, she absolutely thinks that the senator should go, you know, as long as he wants to. but i think the truth is the map is just not there. 260 pledged delegates, 3 million more actual votes, you know, the senator would need to win

john: another reason it is bad for every clinton. our next word is shakeup. last night donald trump's campaign sent out a press release that it was cutting ties with national political director rick wileysome said he would always be a temporary hire. others say this is part of a huge internal are for happening in donald trump's world. -- internal turf war happening in donald trump's world. it will not make or break this campaign, but to the extent that it reflects disarray and internal chaos, how big of a problem is that for his candidacy? mark: i think there is some basic stuff that needs to get done in terms of fundraising, organizing states, and having professionals around is helpful. but donald trump manages the way he manages, i think if you said to me what are the five biggest names dangerous to trump winning, this is one of them. just having a team that is close and has each other's backs and can build what needs to be billed, take the money in and spend it efficiently. this does not speak well of what kind of president he would be. the back fighting, the leaks, the personal attacks, it's quite something and reminiscent of a clinton campaign. john: a hillary clinton campaign. th