. >> governor barbour, i know that senior senator john wyden and scott brown has teamed up to give states more flexibility. the president seemed to embrace that concept. i'm curious, does that go far enough? to give you the earlier out at 2014? if not what should we be doing? >> of course, the devil is in the details. the things that concerned me is the thing that is are in statute we are told the states will still have to do. and governor patrick has been talking about and answered your question how his cost didn't go up and he didn't have people drop insurance. massachusetts already had a very, very expandive mandatory standard benefits package. most states, particularly rural states don't. we get saddled with a standard benefit package like massachusetts, that's why our employers will drop coverage. their premiums will skyrocket. if it doesn't give us relief from that and similar things, it really not much help. >> right. governor herbert? >> as i mentioned earlier, how flexible is flexible? there is not absolute flexibility. it is a maintenance of effort, still required the essential

. >> governor barbour, i know my senior senator, john wyden teamed up to give states more flexibilitywith their own plans. the president, yesterday, seemed to embrace that con cement. i'm curious from all three of you, is that far enough? is it helpful to give you the earlier out at 2014, and if not, what should we be doing? >> of course, the devil's in the details, but the things that concerns me, the things in the statute we are told, the states will still have to do, and governor patrick has been talking about and answer your question about how his costs didn't go up and people didn't drop insurance. well, massachusetts already had a very, very expansive man.areo benefits package. rural states don't, and if we get saddled with a benefits package like massachusetts, that's why our employers will drop coverage because it will -- their premiums will skyrocket, so if it doesn't give us relief from that and similar things, it's really not much help. >> governor herbert? >> well, again, as i mentioned earlier, how flexible is flexible? clearly, there's not absolute flexibility. this is n