people talked about apollo, john zito, and his boss, being quick to execute and with what we have seenpen with the banks in the last couple of years, if you are a corporate borrower and you have a need for money fairly quickly, perhaps with some complexity around your situation , knowing exactly who to call and what their answer is going to be fairly quickly is really prized. vonnie: if you are him and thinking about the longer-term, because you know someone like that has a five-year plan, a 10 year plan, a two day plan, how do you plan to run something the size of apollo after he expands the unit he is in now to double what it is? allison: their overall form -- firm has a goal of 20 trillion in asset management by 2026. currently 200 50 billion. credit will be a key part of that. it's their job to continue growing credit assets under management and continuing to make sure that the performance is good, the quality is good, it's a scalable business, and that will be the key to his future at the firm regardless of title. vonnie: there are broader questions here about the ballooning size