and i think when you talk about the division of the country, i think johnnie cochran, the attorney, he was the person who certainly i look up tool still to this day. it was about really having a trial that deflected and talked about the racism of the lapd and really made that front and center as to why oj should be acquitted, questioning the issues with respect to the police protocols, the police practices, what they did, how they focused and targeted on him to the exclusion of other evidence, just assembling a dream team. it wasn't only johnnie cochran, you remember barry shack, you remember ron gop, you remember are number of other people who were on that dream team with regard to what they did and challenging dna and looking and assessing chain of custody issues in terms of the evidence was contaminated in any respect whether or not the blood that was their belong to him, what just challenging every piece of evidence and so i think what they did wolffian really acquitting him was to focus their efforts not on the deaths and on domestic violence and on other issues which would appoin

it's johnnie cochran, civil rights attorney who was part of some sense legal defense team. a defense team that fame and money allows him sent to hire famous local and national attorneys a group that would borrow a moniker from the 92 olympics a dream team. it also included star defense attorneys f. lee bailey and alan dershowitz, and also the dna expert, barry scheck. something also hired his friend, robert kardashian, the father of the kardashian sisters the first assignment for the case though, was robert shapiro >> robert shapiro has made a name for himself representing high profile clients, including ball players, vince coleman and darryl strawberry comedian johnny carson, and actor marlon brando sun christian. but in a matter of weeks as oj simpson's lead attorney shapiro has catapulted from criminal defense lawyer to international media star and i'm doing tonight by another member of the dream team of defense attorneys, carl douglas and carl, it is great to have you joining us. i just wonder well, what was it like when you got this news today? >> you know kaitlan, fir

i mean, johnny cochran has been, been, he's passed away now obviously back in 2005 of a brain tumor. but that slogan was forever linked with johnny copper and a lot of people felt that they was that uh o. j. simpson struggling to fit that when he got up on his hands in front of the jurors in front of the world. that really, really helps think the prosecution's case, however, there are a lot of people say it was split along racial lines and a lot of people weren't really convicting him as much. so as they were conducting a digital system and you know so many, i think law schools and people even to this day still debate the case on the merit and the jurors and whether justice was served. it's just such a strain case, strange case that is a animal no anomaly for sure. and then he, he ended up behind boss for a completely separate armed robbery for all of his talent that he had. think it's how does david's does he go his bust ration? his anger got the best of him. he claims that he saw some people still some memorabilia. that was his and all he was going to do was go into a hotel room and

he had exceptional lawyers with johnny cochran. if you have financial resources, the difference as opposed to someone indigent, and obviously about race. what i remember about that case, the lead detective on direct exam came across a choirboy and you find out in cross-examination that he used the n-word and he used it often . this was like one of the first televised trials. i believe the case was lost when that came out because it solidified the racism at that time in the lapd. that is really, you know, dna, you know, excellent cross- examination, so this was really that big first trial. o.j. simpson was a beloved athlete who made movies, commercials, all of us of a certain age remember him running through the airport on commercials, so celebrity also probably played a big part in his acquittal but you also have to give credit to the exceptional attorneys. >> yeah, and that is so important and something i was just thinking about and i'm glad you highlighted that. you know, how having the wherewithal and the means to have a dream d

i'm still johnny cochran with a nightcap. if you look at o.j. and has a rather large head, o.j. simpson in a nightcap from total blocks away, is still o.j. simpson. it is no disguise, it is no disguise, it makes no sense, it is an fate, if it isn't fit, you must acquit. >> jesse: the trial lasted nearly a year. the lapd was called racist in trial, accused of framing simpson. dna evidence was fairly new, detectives were accused of sloppiness and contamination and america was on the edge of the seat. jury deliberations lasted only four hours. the verdict was in, and america, time stood still. >> the california county of los angeles, in the matter of the people of the state of california versus o.j. simpson case number v. a. 211, we the jury entitle action find the defendant not guilty of the crime of murder in violation -- [ cheering and applause ] >> lots of people as he saw her some pretty strong reactions, always a very happy. >> and very happy for his family and children. they happy. mimosa very happy at the justice was served. >> jesse: the v

i pay for someone like a johnnie cochran. ~ ., ., , cochran. i know that is the common — cochran. that is the common view, but - cochran. i know that is the common view, but i - cochran. i know that is the common view, but i will. cochran. i know that is the i common view, but i will point out something very different to you. which is that until the day he died there was a huge number of the public who believed he had been convicted. he was acquitted. when you are a celebrity and you go through big trial, often nobody notices that a jury found that you didn't do it. last year, robert blake died, and he — he had a big trial which i covered. and a lot of people called me and asked "is he still imprisoned for the killing of his wife? " i said no, for the killing of his wife? " isaid no, he for the killing of his wife? " i said no, he was acquitted, he was never found i said no, he was acquitted, he was neverfound guilty of i said no, he was acquitted, he was never found guilty of the crime. people didn't remember that. all they remembered that he was charged with a terrible crime. an

you mentioned johnny cochran but there were a whole slew of people on court tv and evening newscastsple would've watched, notjust because it was newsworthy because it was entertainment. it's a political podcast here, we talk about politics, and i should talk about there was a very real political element to this, a race element to this. i mentioned, iwould watch this. i mentioned, iwould watch this with my co—workers on the eighth floor of an office building in los angeles and we all agreed oj simpson was guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt, he definitely did it, they had audio tapes of him raging against his ex—wife and slamming on the door to break into her apartment at one point why she was calling 911, this was evidence that he had this seething rage which would lead conceivably to a murder. then i would walk downstairs and talk to the person at the front door, a security guard, who was black, and he was convinced oj simpson did not do it, and would you talk to black people in los angeles who had a very strong suspicion of the police, remember rodney king and the race riots there an

one of the famous parts of the trial is johnny cochrane saying the glove doesn't fit, years that moment. >> if you look at o.j. simpson over there and he has a rather large hand, o.j. simpson in a knit cap from two blocks away is still o.j. simpson. it's no disguise, it's no disguise. it makes no sense. it doesn't fit. if it doesn't fit you must acquit. >> he had a strategy and listen it worked for all intents and purposes. >> it worked great, regardless of what you think of him, the strategy resonated with the jury he took the focus essentially off of o.j. simpson and put the lapd on trial. he throughout allegations of racism, throughout allegations of police misconduct. the police were planting evidence. let's not forget the testimony of detective herman. he perjured himself on the stand , said he never used the n. word and on the heels of rodney king it was not surprising that there was a double acquittal in this case. he was a master trial attorney trace. >> trace: one of the prosecutors clearly was always a bit frustrated she had his interview she gave back in 2016 and said the fol

but i just thought that for me personally, i've often joked by war lawyer, there's no way to johnnie cochran, would it be in me with that level of evidence and over the years i've become friends, would call douglas, who was on the legal team. remember the legal team for oj simpson? i still speak to him. this de i'm very fond of him. he's a very successful lawyer in los angeles and one of the things that he said, do you have any idea how great johnnie cochran was? i said of course we do, we all do is just that the preponderance of evidence that was against oj simpson considering the circumstances, i thought he was guilty is how having said all of that, i wasn't as angry as white america was at his are not guilty verdict because in light of what has happened with rodney king and the history of the lapd with african americans it was a foregone conclusion in my mind that the preponderance of evidence was going to have to be iron clad and not only that, the defense was going to have to the prosecution rather was going to have to have an ironclad case and they were going to have to execute it. ics

robert kardashian, bailey, johnnie cochran all of them. i never could get out of my mind the image of robert kardashian. his face when he heard that not guilty verdict just looked sick to his stomach honestly. and without the o.j. case we wouldn't have the whole kardashian family in our faces every day either leo. i guess we have that to thank for the trial of this entry. always good to have you with us, ". thank you for joining me. >> thank you martha. >> martha: great to see. leo terrel civil rights attorney from los angeles. >>> in a grim revelation hamas reportedly says they may not have enough accounted for living hostages to return to hold up there and of the deal that is being negotiated. we will discuss that next s. there's the family name. 1892 wow. that one here is the boat they came over on. yes. wow. hello, ghostbusters. it's doug. we help people customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. we got a bit of a situation. [ metal groans] sure, i can hold. ♪ liberty liberty liberty liberty ♪ in theaters now. ♪

johnny cochran and the dream team of defense lawyers prepared for a media show, foreshadowing donald and cochran brilliantly brought that strategy of national media attention and winning over a national audience so that by the end of the trial, more than half of black americans believed simpson was not guilty of murder. >> i'm not sure the dream team could have dreamed of the kind of show it would become. charles, at a time when we weren't used to watching live trials, how different was it for people to see this adjudicated in realtime, especially black americans? >> chris, correct me if i'm wrong that people can really understand if you weren't there how significant this was, and i think it's very ironic that this is coming on the heels of what now i believe will be the most anticipated and most watched trial, if it begins on monday, that being that of donald trump, since the o.j. trial. let's put something in perspective. in 1995, when o.j. went to trial, it is not hyperbole to understand that there are people in that same state of california who could still smell the burning ember

what is the legacy of this case and what does it say about johnnie cochran?or civil rights his entire career, this brought it to the forefront. it brought about the activity in los angeles at the time. it talked about how lawyers make a difference in making sure the police and state are held to a certain standard before they can incarcerate someone. here's the firm, the legacy is that we fight for our clients. we make sure they have a proper defense and put our best foot forward. we do what we do best, which is advocate for our clients. >> johnnie became one of the most famous people in america. months after the case i'd walk down the street with johnnie cochran, who became a friend of mine. there was no former president. there was no rock star. you could walk with who had more recognition on the streets than johnnie cochran in the months after this case. >> michael: i can believe that. >> rebecca: dan brought up the circus that was happening outside the courtroom. this was so polarizing. how did that factor into the trial and the strategy? >> race was at the

so for us, as lawyers, it was a brilliant stroke of genius by johnnie cochran, the defense team. you have to see he also the fact that the judge lost judge either lost total control at times of that courtroom. so there was a lot of lessons to be learned and on a personal note i need to say that my sister died in a violent relationship. so this really struck home as it straight strikes home to many of those around the country that have had themselves been victims of domestic violence or had family members. there were victims of domestic violence >> mercedes, i wonder what you think the legacy of this case from the perspective of faith in the legal system, because people were outraged when he was acquitted there was. >> and do you know what bars i think part of it is is that week out to see from moment to moment how that trial evolved. and some of the techniques used. and but thankfully there was at the end of the de, just as brianna said, there was a civil proceeding, different standard. there was from the standard of different standard of proof. you didn't have to prove beyond a

we saw the brilliant johnny cochran. if the glove don't fit, you must acquit.se prosecutors. you saw forensic evidence. this launched csi and all this forensic evidence. his lawyers were better. the case they made was stronger. and it wasn't about oj. it was about the system that he defeated. >> and also, as we are on the eve of this iteration of the century, the trial of the century, for sure. cameras were in the courtroom, which of course, is a huge part of it. so much of this was spectacle. the cameras in the courtroom was spectacle. >> it was all spectacle, which is light was the tedious of tv moments. in the tv pantheon. were about to get the second trial of the century. they are not there, but it's interesting to think about how culture has and hasn't changed between when that happened and now. >> and donald trump is -- >> is going to try the same thing. >> is going to try to get acquitted based on the cultural -- >> the people you hate and don't trust are coming after me. >> for him, it's a black prosecutor. he's in the new york -- >> in the big city you

and bob shapiro, and johnny cochran and such, they were excellent lawyers. what happened was it wasn't proven. o.j. simpson wasn't inte intereg person because he was the early bird because of the color barrier where he was accepted in the black community and even more so in the white community because of his athletic ability and because of his commercials where he had very popular commercials, so people were familiar with and more so than other black athletes. >> harris: he had done movies and so many other things by then. >> no, i did not feel adamant, but he was interested in picking that jury, and the relationship between the prosecutors and the defense attorney on how the jury was picked because they did have racial implications. >> harris: thank you so very much. it is it important to me to have your expertise with us. >> it was good to talk to you. i am sorry to hear about the death. >> harris: my mind goes to the family of these victims such as nicole brown simpson and her family and also ron goldman and her his fami. i wonder what they've been put th

the cameras in the courtroom, the lawyering, johnny cochran. larger-than-life figures. >> you are right. this was -- we talk about trials of the century. there are a lot of cases. other than lindbergh, i think o.j. does deserve that title. there were over 1,000 journalists covering this case across from the courthouse. it was wall to wall. you had networks and broke into programming. you had everybody many the world focusing on this case. there were celebrity lawyers, celebrities in the courtroom. the court itself seemed to be deferring to some of the people. it was the beginning of dna evidence. you had race, domestic violence. it was packaged into this moment of a former heisman trophy winner, somebody people thought they knew because they saw him in movies and on tv, who was charged with a really brutal double homicide. finally, even though he was acquitted in that case, of course, he was found liable in the civil case. >> lori, what did you tell your students? what have you told your students about the lawyering and the precedence in that c

s highly paid all star legal team, johnny cochran and the famous, if it don't fit, you must acquit lineainst a floundering team of city prosecutors and a tarnished lapd. happening just two years after the l.a. riots and the acquittal of a group of white officers who were caught on camera beating up rodney king, he made a lasting if not so flattering impact on the city, the legal system and the news business. o.j. simpson dead today at the age of 76. joining us now, nbc news senior investigative legal correspondent cynthia mcfadden. she covered the trial. long time columnist for the los angeles time, pat morrison, she covered l.a. during the time and the civil trial, and cofounder of los angeles news service and one of the journalists who followed the bronco from the sky, marieka, who also happens to be my mom. why does this loom so large? >> part of it is people who were alive at the time participated. 95 million people watched television, watched that bronco case, and then because lance decided cameras were allowed in the courtroom, everyone got to play along. people followed the trial

defense attorney johnnie cochran. got a parody character on seinfeld. and whld, o can forget kato kaen during that phone call? >> sorry. did something unusual occur? yes. and what wasual occu? that? i heard a thumping noise. how many times did you hear? objection. we. yes. three. can you demonstrate for us how loud it was? somewhat. yes. go ahead. yes, go aheao ahead. >> but just like it was whennnin he was running down the field in buffalo, it was all eyeg s on the juice in front of the jury. >> o.j. simpson trie drn o on the glasses prosecutors say he was wearing. the night he murderee glovesd his ex-wife, he tried to showhe the gloves do no tt firit. the jurors looked shocked, startled as o.j. stood before them, pulling, pinching and struggling to put them on. with disdain, he defiantly demonstrated his difficultut th telling the jurors they are too small for me. >> the o.j aral. trial gave us one most of the most iconic legal defenses of all time. >> listen. this is an it. kemp put this new cap on.year you didn't see me for a year.. i put this knit

and fuhrman by simpsons so-called legal dream team, including johnnie cochran and barry scheck that poked holes in the prosecution's case scheck question and lapd criminologist who can see that there were quote, procedural errors and how the blood samples were collected at simpson's brentwood home under cross-examination, defense attorney f. lee bailey accused detective fuhrman of racial bias and using racist language, something fuhrman denied. >> tell us please what it was you offered >> lawyers in that room about your vocabulary, detective, from today? >> would you answer? >> yes? >> that i don't use any type of language to describe people of any race such as what is alleged tape recordings played in court proved otherwise damaging. the detectives credibility the goldman family who did not miss a day of court, lashed out at the defense ron and nicole >> what sherd, but it was this pivotal moment considered a huge miscalculation by the prosecution. chris darden asked simpson to put on the bloody glove, found at the scene resulting in cochrane saying the most famous sign of the trial and

johnnie cochran called it a contaminated cesspool assess pool of, of contamination. we just heard diane, so she walked up to the crime scene and she could have walked under the tape. that's how poorly this crime scene he was maintained was preserved. >> and yet they were >> forced to put on a case using the evidence from that contaminated crime scene and using these police officers, many of whom white mark furman, had a horrific history and pass with respect to the treatment and statements about african-americans and yet even a contaminated crime scene. and this is also the early days of dna, right? and what should have been it's so interesting to think about if this case have been tried 20 years later, it probably would have just been a slam dunk on dna because contamination doesn't make dna more likely to match a suspect, it would make it less likely to match a suspect. and yet the defense was able to overcome that evidence or riva i wonder is as you look back on this because it did reveal so much about what was going on in los angeles with policing, what was going

johnnie cochran's strategy simple. lapd framed o.j. e well known by downtown jurors who, three years earlier, lived through the beating of rodney king. the acquittal of the officers involved and then the subsequent riots. >> we can hold multiple truths in our head at the same time. it is simultaneously true there is a long history of injustice by the justice system toward african americans. it is also true that it is impossible to postulate that any one other than o.j. simpson committed the crimes. >> reporter: the lapd uncovered evidence of racism and use of extensive force and worked hard to reform. three months after the murders, the bill was signed into law to protect domestic violence. it did show the country how much they were needed. for "today," cynthia mcfadden, nbc news, new york. >> i have to say the interview with bob yesterday was compelling. bob worked closely with o.j. simpson on nbc sports recounting that day when he was there and went to prison o.j. simpson. robert kardashian was there. he said that they tried to call c

and you've got always high powered attorneys on the other side led by johnnie cochran. now, tell your story a member of the glove don't fit. got much to quit. the people that were involved in the trial told me the way that went down. ashley bailey came up to darden city. chris. you know, we've got his glove just given a heads up, we're going to o j tried it on. now. if you want go ahead. and when i heard that, i thought all. do not agree to that because you give the imprimatur of the da's office. but darden took the bait. okay. how what will we'll do it right? not you. well, you see are the folks that one time right? and since the da have him do it, people that couldn't be put up. now, if the defense did it, people would obviously go come you know, it's obviously states. and then i'm talking to the attorneys that defense team met every night and had discussions about what they were doing, where they were going. house told the da's didn't do that. they were like, this as you said, this a slam dunk case. why do we need to meet? they didn't. they're basically out workouts,

i'm still johnnie cochran with a neck cap. and if you look at o.j. simpson over there, and he has a rather large head. o.j. simpson in a nightcapa knij two blocks away, is still o.j. simpson. it's no disguise. it's no disguise. it makes no sense.sn't f it doesn't fit. if it doesn'itt fit, you must acquit. >> for many americans that seeme like an incredibly weak defense amid a ton of forensic and circumstancedidefenc trial e stacked against o.j. simpson. but the jury disagreedd circum. >> take a look. in the matter of the people of the state of california, liforn orenthal james simpson, caseia number 8097211, we the jury in the impact entitle findt guiy the defendant or his job altered. james simpson not guiltythe cr e crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187, a felony upon nicole brown simpson, a human being ascoun charged in count one of the information superior court of the state of california, county of los angeles in thethel matter of the people of california versus orenthal james simpson. e statofwe, the jury in the aboe entitled a

was acquitted because as the great legal, as the great scholar johnnie cochran said, if the gloves do not fit, you have to acquit and the jury agreed. so he's a great man. we're all flawed. we've all had our peaks and valleys in life. let us pray for the repose of his soul and that he live in everlasting paradise with our lord. >> well, timothy, i think a lot of people know all about him from his football days on, you know, including the acting career, the trial, but before all of that, as you mentioned, he was a product of potrero hill in san francisco housing projects, played football here. talk to us and give people a sense of who he was like as a child and what he was like as a child, including. i heard he had gotten into some trouble, right? and required giants star willie mays to kind of direct him on a different path. tell us about that. >> first off, potrero hill is a beautiful community. some of the most expensive homes in san francisco are in potrero hill. yes, there's affordable housing there. i have family that live in that, affordable housing, but i can't agree with this

johnnie cochran's strategy was simple, the lapd framed o.j. simpson. >> this case is about a rush to judgment, an obsession to win at any cost. >> reporter: cochran who specialized in police brutality cases knew that the lapd's reputation for racism and brutality were well known by downtown jurors, who three years earlier had lived through the beating of rodney king, the acquittal of the officers involved, and the subsequent riots. >> we can hold multiple truths in our head at the same time. it is simultaneously true that there is a long history of injustice by the justice system toward african americans, and it's also true that it's impossible to even postulate that anyone other than o.j. simpson committed these crimes. >> reporter: in the aftermath of that 1991 king beating, the lapd uncovered evidence of racism and the use of extensive force and has worked hard to reform. three months after the murders, the 1994 violence against women's act was signed into law, designed to protect women like nicole brown simpson, and while the o.j. simpson

lead defense attorney johnnie cochran died in 2006, but his law firm today sharing their condolences, cochran was perhaps best famous for urging jurors to acquit after a pair of gloves seemed not to fit. simpson if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. that's right, as we all remember so well. >> yeah, and i just remember the tremendous world attention on this. and dan, you covered this trial. you covered the verdict. i cannot imagine what that must have been like. yeah, it was a surreal experience. >> i was there the last two weeks of the trial in october of 95, during the verdict, when it was read, and it was just an intense experience. it was in fact a circus. we have a little clip. the verdict in the simpson case is finally in, but the jury is still out on how this so-called trial of the century will ultimately affect our perceptions about justice in america. dan ashley, channel seven morning news that report, of course, for the morning news for abc seven and, you know, during the final two weeks as it really intensified, there were hundreds of people every day outside the courthouse.

. >> his lawyers included johnnie cochran, f lee bailey and alan dershowitz. dubbed the dream team, they argued simpson was framed by racist police, and cochran delivered the trial's most famous words. >> remember these words? if it doesn't fit, you must acquit, referencing the moment in court when simpson appeared unable to put on black gloves found at the crime scene. >> dershowitz later called the prosecution's decision to ask simpson to try on the gloves the greatest legal blunder of the 20th century. >> we, the jury in the above entitled action, find the defendant or orenthal james simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder. >> many black americans saw simpson as a victim of racism, while many white americans were stunned that he could be exonerated, simpson was later found liable for the murders in a civil lawsuit, and was ordered to pay $33 million in damages. kim goldman last night told abc news her family has received only $114,000 of that judgment, but that wasn't the end of simpson's legal troubles. in 2007, he was convicted of armed robbery for ste

the things that stand out in a person's mind will go on forever as far as the late johnnie cochran, youuit, with trying on the gloves. the expressions, and it became, i guess, very pop thing, and everything slipped back on that trial. they won eight emmys on the tv show, an oscar eight emmys on the tv show, an 0scarfor a documentary eight emmys on the tv show, an oscar for a documentary on eight emmys on the tv show, an 0scarfor a documentary on it, and it will go on forever. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. let's look at some uk stories making news. more than £34,000 of uk taxpayer money has been used to cover the cost of legal fees for the science secretary michelle donelan after she falsely accused an academic of extremism. the government defended using public money to pay the bill, claiming her comments had been made "in the course of her ministerial duties" but labour has called for her to pay the money back. a former uk sub—postmistress who was wrongly jailed while she was pregnant has rejected an apology by a former post office boss who congratulated the team

lead defense attorney johnnie cochran died in 2006, but his law firm today sharing their condolences, cochran was perhaps best famous for urging jurors to acquit after a pair of gloves seemed not to fit. simpson if it doesn't fit, you must acquit. that's right, as we all remember so well. >> yeah, and i just remember the tremendous world attention on this. and dan, you covered this trial. you covered the verdict. i cannot imagine what that must have been like. yeah, it was a surreal experience. >> i was there the last two weeks of the trial in october of 95, during the verdict, when it was read, and it was just an intense experience. it was in fact a circus. we have a little clip. the verdict in the simpson case is finally in, but the jury is still out on how this so-called trial of the century will ultimately affect our perceptions about justice in america. dan ashley, channel seven morning news that report, of course, for the morning news for abc seven and, you know, during the final two weeks as it really intensified, there were hundreds of people every day outside the courthouse.

>> well, you know,, when johnny cochran was still alive after oj, johnny used to basically rent himself to go around the country for jury selection and johnny would sit at the table and basically, he would eliminate all of the people that they did not want, the people who hired him. he was like a magnet, he was a kryptonite for the jurors, the people who hired him did not want. we got the opposite here, there's people coming in and by the way, this judge who'd trump has been vilifying has gone bend over backwards to ensure that this trial would last longer than you could even imagine and it's actually under the guides of being extremely fair because he's doing an individual diary, he's letting the jurors answer all of the jury questions individually, which is something that is unheard of in 40 years of never had that, even in death penalty cases. and they will be able to read out i think it in my humble opinion, all of what i call "stealth jurors" because you wait in high-profile cases that you will have stealth it jurors barbenheimer that is the biggest fear as a trial lawyer. >> jesse

leaves behind four children and two heads he is a murderer when reached for comment the ghost of johnny cochran remarked actually vaclav did fit that i'm dead and you can't do [ bleep ] meanwhile reality star khloe kardashian once again dealing with a conspiracy theory that oj is actually her real father when we know who it really is former biden chief of staff ron claims as his old boss shouldst top taking victory laps over the economy staffers told him he was mistaken that was joe just wandering in circles a viral video with my role of a horse waiting for a train to arrive at a subway station animal control explains that the beast was just commuting to work speaking of the view will be goldberg said republicans want to bring slavery back that's not true claimed republicans then there'd be no way to get you in about donald trump visited a chick-fil-a and atlanta this week when asked what the best part of his visit was trumpet said watching stacy abrams cleaned the deep fryer chlamydia hepatitis c and syphilis some of the stds of infecting americans age 55 and older at a shocking rate. >> big a

johnnie cochran, . a lot of things.rly 90s when a lot of people were questioning a lot of minorities were questioning the lapd and the lapd�*s tactics. it was a couple of years after the rodney king case, the man who was beaten by lapd officers, the officers got off on that case, at least in the first trial. they were found not guilty. so there was a lot of mistrust in this town on police officers, so you have somebody like that, the detective who may have done something that was just mentioned there, everybody is going to jump on things like that, everyone was questioning the tactics of the police department.— questioning the tactics of the police department. zoe, was it surprising _ police department. zoe, was it surprising to — police department. zoe, was it surprising to you _ police department. zoe, was it surprising to you that - police department. zoe, was it surprising to you that the - police department. zoe, was it surprising to you that the da's| surprising to you that the da's office did not bring up any evi

i remember johnny cochran had asked me to visit oj and jill and i said this is not a civil rights issuee that were ill-prepared to prove their case. >> i think you are right, reverend. thank you for allowing me this time to talk about something. it's hard to believe sometimes it has been 30 years. i think you hit the nail on the head. the idea that this was not about oj simpson. people forget that oj had been a beloved football star but as his time went on as a celebrity, his popularity in black america had waned, quite frankly by the time all of this happened. it really was about the idea of finally seeing an african- american male in particular beat a system that had beat us down for so very long. that coupled with the idea of the relationship that the lapd had with the black community all of those years so it was kind of a david beats goliath for the first time moment. and, i think that we have to understand that this trial was really not only about the trial but it was about america and race. that was the personification of the division that has become so vivid that we see today. so

dead johnnie cochran with his hand on the chicken. let's go to cord, come on, come on. can't catch me! >> i've been following this the whole time -- >> we're here to support o.j. we know o.j. is innocent, he's been railroaded by a bias that keeps african americans like us down, thank you. what? doesn't matter if o.j. broke into a room and -- and committed armed robbery or kidnapping with a deadly weapon. the point is, he should bible to get away with this because he's gotten away with stuff that's way worse. [ laughter ] >> well, i mean, but -- >> way worse. people get on o.j.'s case. what, you've never made mistakes? i mean, look at those pants. where you from? >> we expect mr. simpson to be processed and released -- >> yes! >> -- fairly quickly. >> because you all knew who his lawyer was. >> this guy right here. >> innocent or not guilty? >> i'm not sure there's a difference in the eyes of the law. >> he's both, innocent and not guilty, thank you. >> my only focus up to this point in time has been securing mr. simpson's release from -- >> nice work, dude, up high. >>

fit they knew it and ultimately it was depicted in a series of if i remember correctly where johnny cochran had coached christopher to go against the wishes of marcia clark and convinced him to force oj to try to try on the glove once folk saw that it wasn't going to fit he was exactly the nugget he needed to openly say if it doesn't fit you must acquit and get o.j. simpson off of double murder, he is a double murderer in the eyes of most people in this country, white black latino african-american everything else but it was more important to folks at the time to indict the lapd in china spotlight on what they were doing to african-americans in the city of los angeles which is why o.j. simpson ended up a premium that year. >> sean: let me ask you, we talk privately about how i think sports is the great uniter you are always lecturing me and saying hannity stick to the wheelhouse did to the baltics and i'll take care of sports and when i hear you talk politics i always say stay in your lane stephen you don't know what you're talking about but we have a friendship that has emerged, one of my a

johnny cochrane, alan dershowitz. i got to have the inside information and i portrayed that information on trial -- on public with appearances on television. i think what eric brought up is very true to the extent there is a lot about that case that the american public does not know. probably unfortunately will not know because of attorney/client privilege and privacy issues. it changed how cases are presented when you have the cameras in the courtroom. you talk about that. they can be effective and they can be destructive because all of a sudden the players inside the courtroom start playing to the cameras. >> harris: i have to ask about this case because you heard me say it, it is true he was ultimately acquitted of the double murders. but it changed his life forever, too. he couldn't live the way that he thought he could. he certainly wasn't going to have endorsements after that. and he sought a different type of lifestyle that eventually ended up seeing him put in prison anyway. >> yes. let me tell you right now,

discussion about oj's ability to hire this incredible dream team of attorneys led by the legendary johnnie cochranlike f lee bailey, barry scheck, people said at the time, this is not justice. even chris rock had a line into standup act that said if oj wasn't a rich celebrity, he would be known as orenthal, the white ladykiller. it was a stark statement, but something that was widely seen in the culture that, if oj is found innocent, it will be because he hired the best. william: for so many black americans, this happening in los angeles, coming a couple of years after rodney king and all the revelations of racism in the l.a. police department, just seem like as you are saying the culmination, the sort of apex of racial animosity toward black people. >> absolutely. and the former police chief by 1995, there was a very militarized approach to policing and what were called antigang initiatives in the black community. that led to a great deal of violence and a great deal of mistrust. which is why after the rodney king beating, nobody in l.a. really saw it as just a rodney king story, but emblematic o

i was dazzled with johnny cochrane.ust hanging on everywhere he said, i could not believe it. not only did the glove shrink because of the blood, judge, he had advised oj to stop takingse his arthritis medication. so his knuckles at swollen. and then you look at the da ande evidence and you are looking, wait a second, this stuff cann get contaminated. and thankfully, years later, the chain of custody has now gotten perfect where you don't even let anybody breathe near this thingt i just want to say my heart goes out to the goldman family, thebr brown family.ow it does look like the estate now owes them almost $100 million because oj, i don't know how he did it, he avoided paying these peopleno. i hope they collect. >> dana: how you -- are you gonna say how old you were, right? >> greg: i wasn't born so it's nice to here this from all the old people. but i have to say this one really hurts. yrts.it's funny, i always thinkt that car c rental commercial whe i'm running through the airport after stabbing two people. did you

discussion about oj's ability to hire this incredible dream team of attorneys led by the legendary johnnie cochranto mention people like f leigh bailey, barry scheck, a group of people who everybody knew in legal circles coming together, people said at the time -- a lot of people, this is not justice. even chris rock had a line in his standup act that if oj was not a rich celebrity with his juries, he would be known as oren the white ladykiller. that was a stark statement. but it was something widely seen in the culture. wow, if oj is found innocent it is because he hired the best money can buy. william: as you also document, for so many black americans, this happening in los angeles, coming a couple years after rodney king and all the revelations of racism in the l.a. police department, just seemed like the culmination, the apex of racial animosity towards black people. dave: absolutely. the former police by 1995, darrell gates, there was a very militarized approach to policing in what were called anti-gang initiatives in the black community. that led to a great deal of violence and distrust. whi

johnnie cochran came up with the glove don't fit you got to acquit. and they did.imately. >> ainsley: they did. turning now to more headlines for you. a fox news alert. u.s. officials are warning of an imminent attack from iran within the next two days in retaliation for the idf strike that killed a top iranian commander. the u.s. embassy says the u.s. embassy in jerusalem reminds u.s. citizens of the continued need for caution and increased personnel -- personal security awareness as security incidents often take place without warning. fox news strategic analyst general jack keane will join us later with more. a shocking moment when u.k. berkeley law students turned on their jewish dean who invited them to his house and his wife's home, who is also a professor there for dinner. [shouting] >> we have attorneys. >> okay. you don't have to get please leave your house. you are guests at our house. >> student was upset at the university for investing in weapons companies that supply israel. the dean gave a statement yesterday saying he was saddened by the protest. he a

defense team like bailey and johnny cochran you see on your screen.e robert kardashian who was a part of that as well. so these were all reality tv stars and o.j. simpson was the first reality tv villain, john. >> sandra: when you put it that way, you look back at his football career before all of this was happening and jim was talking about this earlier. i mean, this was a guy who turned heads. he walked in and lit up the room. he was a hero on the football field, 11 years with the nfl. i mean, that moment was something for so many who knew o.j. on the field. to get that alert, that news that these charges that he possibly carried out these heinous murders. >> not just on the field rush more than 2,000 yards on a very good team with the buffalo bills and was this huge star but afterwards he really made his mark. not a lot of people know this but back in 1975 a lot of younger viewers know this, hertz sine o.j. simpson to be its spokesperson. this was unheard of because sports marketing was not a thing back then. o.j. dashing through airports we've all