if it wasn't for people like johnny andout. >> , ewe would have never had the money to get this dna testing done. most people on death row don't have that kind of money, they don't have family or friends with that kind of money, so they may very well die even though there is dna at the the crime scene that could be tested that would common rate them. >> and they also likely don't understand the law. was there a moment when you were going to be executed because your lawyers didn't even realize they had to file a stay? >> absolutely mix original execution date was may 5, 19 19, and i got close to that because i had ineffective public defenders who didn't realize they had to file a stay with the court and ask for a stay for my execution. so i got close because i had ineffective attorneys. >> david boies is walking all over the place. >> you don't feed a david boies. what you need is any one of 50,000 lawyers that somebody with money would be able to hire. it's not just the lawyers. damien says it is having the money to do the testing, the investigation, find the witnesses. if somebody of means